pebble paths , klingstone, and dogs

Caddeau(6)February 27, 2012

We've just finished a home renovation that opened up our home to the yard. I'm now trying to work on a landscaping plan so that we have a yard we can enjoy. Alas, a primary concern at the moment is budget. I'd appreciate sage advice GW users have on these two questions as I try to make landscaping plans with budget in mind:

1) Does anyone have experience/advice with using the product call Klingstone to bind crushed pebbles into a stable path? I'm considering using a pebble path interspersed with blue stone pavers, not nearly as beautiful as in the photo below, but somewhat similar as we have a wonderful yew tree and don't get a lot of sun in the back of the house. I'm trying to create the feel of a Japanese viewing garden in this area.

2) Has anyone ever tried putting down a layer of chickenwire under pebbles and or mulch to discourage dogs from digging? We have a golden retriever who will be using part of the back yard as her run. She mostly lives in doors. She's not a terrible digger and if not presented with fresh, loose dirt she doesn't necessarily think about digging. I'd like to do what I can with design to discourage digging, but still use gravel in some areas. When she was a pup I ran chicken wire along the base of our fence, half up against the fence and half along the ground. It worked wonderfully in terms of keeping her from digging anywhere near the fence. Wire feels nasty on the paws I guess. I wonder if laying a strip of chicken wire (somehow anchored down) under the gravel might work to discourage digging. Does anyone have experience with this or suggestions (does it sound like a terrible idea?).

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Klingstone's a great product. Just know that it has an amber hue to it, which means your stone will take on an amber hue. Imagine a coating of dark maple syrup. It may not be an issue with the gravel, but it could be an issue with the stepping stones.

    Bookmark   February 27, 2012 at 4:38PM
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I do not know Klingstone per se, but can't imagine that it's anything but a polyester resin/hardener that binds stones together. I notice that their website gives no indication of the price so that's confirmation enough for me that this product will be VERY expensive to actually produce something in landscape size that's meaningful. On other websites, with everything else, you can "Buy Now!" but not with Klingstone. You must make an inquiry. So it might be affordable as the "stepping stones" in a sea of aggregate. But it won't be affordable if it is the "sea of aggregate" for a few stepping stones.

I'm sure the chicken wire would work to prevent digging. Dogs could not dig through that. It might not last forever, but the dog would probably be sufficiently trained before it turned to rust.

    Bookmark   February 27, 2012 at 5:58PM
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deviant-deziner(Oh zone)

Marcinde provided you with good info that we have found to be valuable in regards to coloration.
We've also found that pebble size makes a difference in regards to how much material is required to hold a good bond. The larger the aggregate, the more product is required.

If polyurethene is an issue for you there is another product on the market that is derived from pine tree pitch/ sap vs. an oil base product. It is called Terra Pave.
It works well and also darkens the final color of the surface with an amber tone. We've used it on both commercial and residential projects where there was a desire for a natural looking finish but was ADA compliant in regards to stability.

With either product it is important that a proper sub base be installed .
Your aggregate needs to be dry as well as having at least 7 to 10 days of dry weather predicted after application and the temperature should be not less than 55 degrees - ideal is around 65 - 70 F.

In regards to chicken wire and dogs digging. I've used your described method with success.
I'm involved with The Jack Russell Rescue Society and have had a few diggers that have come to live with us.
If you have the addition of gophers then hardware cloth is also a good option.
Hardware cloth is not cloth at all but a 1/4 wire mesh.
We also use it when making gopher baskets to plant our plants in .
It last a pretty long time and holds up great in salty ( beach side ) soils.

    Bookmark   February 27, 2012 at 9:17PM
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Yardvark - Klingstone is actually really pretty reasonably priced, having compared it and a similar product offered by my local stoneyard for a pathway project. Why would you spout off with an assumption like that? Are you in business for yourself? Do you have any idea how dramatically the cost of a website jumps when you add a shopping cart?

    Bookmark   February 28, 2012 at 7:08AM
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Why would I "spout off with an assumption like that?"

marcinde, you're sounding a little defensive... as though you are connected with the product. First, it's immaterial whether a website has a shopping cart or not. It's the product's price--just a dollar sign and a few numbers--that is secreted away. Second, in general, resin products lean toward expensive. Nevertheless, my answer qualified that it DEPENDS ENTIRELY HOW ONE USES THE MATERIAL as to whether it will be affordable, or unaffordable. And that's still true. The OP says: "Alas, a primary concern at the moment is budget."

So how much does this resin actually cost? $150 for 5 gallons plus shipping (figure approx. total $200.) They claim that one gallon will create 12 s.f. of path. (How thick, and how durable over time, is another consideration.) So, for a small project, it might be reasonably priced. But for anything of size, it could quickly become high priced. That's why I said, it depends on how the OP would use it.

That's how I do it!

    Bookmark   February 28, 2012 at 11:09AM
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Thank you for your thoughtful and helpful replies. I wrote to the supplier yesterday and await a reply so I'm not sure exactly how much this product will cost, but if the posting above is correct, then for my 300 sq ft project it would cost me $750 plus shipping to use this product. I requested small sample of the product so I can see how it works and how it changes the color of the pebbles. For what it's worth, it does seem odd that they don't simply post the price of the product on their site (or perhaps I missed it?) whether they have a shopping cart feature or not.

    Bookmark   February 28, 2012 at 11:25AM
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Connected with the product? Yep, I specify it on projects and the folks at the company have been really helpful with providing info for an article I was researching. So I suppose that's a connection. Or are you implying that I've been a sleeper cell spammer for the five years or so I've been on this forum, and this post activated me like OJ Simpson in Naked Gun?

Not defensive at all, just pointing out that the way you presented your opinion could put someone off a good product without cause. Doesn't seem right.

    Bookmark   February 28, 2012 at 8:55PM
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" the way you presented your opinion could put someone off a good product without cause. "

Never. There is always someone waiting to swoop in and correct me.

    Bookmark   February 28, 2012 at 10:49PM
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bocron(z7a GA)

There is also a product called TechniSoil that sounds useful in an application like this.

    Bookmark   March 1, 2012 at 10:48PM
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