homeopathic remedy for eating of young by mother rabbits

quirkpod(7 Lewisville NC)March 29, 2006

Quote from Countryside small stock journal Mar/Apr 2006: Homeopathy for your livestock... "Sepia, a homeopathic remedy made from cuttlefish ink, has an affinity to females and their unique problems... capable of encouraging the natural maternal instinct in those animals which are indifferent or hostile to their offspring." Name of book: Dogs: Homeopathic Remedies by George Macleod, MRCVS DVSM, Vet FF Hom, Homeopathic Development Foundation 1983. Another book quoted in the article: Homeopathic Care for Cats and Dogs: Small doses for small animals, Don Hamilton, DVM, North Atlantic Books 1999.

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wow, if I ever get back into rabbits, I will keep that in mind. I know it is really dissapointing expecting babies and they are dead.
wonder how it would work for goats too?? don't see why not.
how do you get Countryside, is it on the web??

    Bookmark   March 29, 2006 at 12:15PM
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quirkpod(7 Lewisville NC)

Here's the link. Phone 1-800-551-5691 email csymag@tds.net

Here is a link that might be useful: Countryside Magazine

    Bookmark   March 30, 2006 at 7:38AM
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brendan_of_bonsai(4b AK)

Wow, I realize that this is a super old post but homeopathic remedies simply do not work.

Homeopoathy is based on two so called "Laws" the law of opposites and the low of infinitesimals. The law of opposites states that if something has a negative effect (like onion's making your eyes water) that it will have the opposite effect in low doses (like fix your eyes from watering); the law of infinitesimals states that this effect will be amplified the lower the concentration becomes. Now Avogadro figured out that there is a graininess to liquids and gases and that you cannot dilute anything infinitely. Homeopathic remedies don't work either, sure you may give it to your rabbit and the next litter will be fine, but you could recite Chaucer to them and have the same effect. When we actually put together studies we find that they have no statistical effect and no measurable effect.

    Bookmark   July 12, 2008 at 8:41PM
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Dibbit(z7b SC)

Brendan, there have been several double-blind, large-scale trials of homeopathy in the past few years, notably for children with diarrhea. The homeopathy worked just fine, and faster than the conventional treatments. There have been others as well, in recent years. Homeopathy is becoming more and more accepted, as it does work.

One of the reasons that homeopathy got such a bad rep in the USA is that in the early part of the 20th century, it was thriving, and the accepted mode of care in most of the US, but it was not well organized. The "conventional" MDs got together, formed the AMA (or its precursor) and lobbied the politicians to make their form of medicine the "legal" one. Because they were organized, and the homeopaths weren't, they succeeded and drove homeopathy out. Since most MDs were now "conventional" dr.s, homeopathy was regarded as the enemy, and this continued in the med schools - passed on for generations of doctors. In Europe, homeopathy was and remains a respected means of treatment, with "conventional" Dr.s referring their patients to homeopaths (as to a specialist) and vice versa. As well, homeopathic remedies are rarely patented, cost little, and therefor are not favored by the large drug companies. Guess who favors, especially financially, the "conventional" doctors?

I have seen homeopathy successfully used, both on people and on dogs and horses, for acute and chronic cases, some of which I KNOW would take weeks of treatment by "conventional" means. In most instances, the cases cleared up quickly. One of the problems in using homeopathy is that the remedy given, except for a few "universal" remedies, like the sepia as cited above, must be chosen for the individual in his/her entirety, and this takes training. In other words, if you and I both have colds, sneezing, sniffles, etc., and both go tho the same trained homeopath, we would more than likely come away with 2 different remedies for our colds, which would both work well. But if I took yours, and you took mine, they wouldn't work as well, if at all. This can drive conventional Dr.s nuts, as they want to have a "magic" pill to give to everyone, prescribed in 5 minutes, instead of the 20 minutes it can take a trained homeopathic practitioner to diagnose, chose a remedy and treat a patient. The "wrong" remedy does nothing, but the "right" one can cure, almost at once sometimes.

    Bookmark   July 13, 2008 at 10:10AM
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very well said dibbit and I agree with you TOTALLY. Note there are also homeopathic doctors lisenced to practice in the US although they are not legally able to call themselves as such and unlike dietary supplements, homeopathic drugs are subject to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act and regulations issued by FDA.

    Bookmark   July 13, 2008 at 3:23PM
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brendan_of_bonsai(4b AK)

What trial are you referring to? Is that the Jacobs et. al trial in Forsch Komplement Med (2006). 2007 Apr;14(2):113-4. ? "Homeopathic combination remedy in the treatment of acute childhood diarrhea in Honduras." I've seen that bandied about quite a bit in the alt med circles but no one seems to notice that having a trail come out negative (i.e. no better than placebo) and coming up with an excuse isn't the same as having a trial come out positive.

If you link me to a well done double blind placebo controlled study that suggests otherwise I will gladly change my opinion, and since you mentioned a study that proves homeopathy works I'm sure that you will gladly cite it or retract your claim.

msjay2u, Since when? It may interest you to note that when the FDA was formed the Homeopath lobby was very strong and actually had homeopathy written in to the FDA guidelines. Yup they had it written in that the FDA may not challenge homoepathy and that those in the standard pharmacopoeia can never be shut down under the FDA's authority,(Sections 201 (g)(1) and 501 (b) The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, respectively). Like all laws it is a terrible read, but before you make a claim about homeopathy and the law you might want to check and make sure that the law isn't written to say the exact opposite of your claim.

    Bookmark   July 14, 2008 at 1:25AM
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Brandon why didn't you just check the FDA website instead of challenging that statement?

Here is a link that might be useful: FDA regulations on hemopathy medicines

    Bookmark   July 14, 2008 at 10:17PM
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brendan_of_bonsai(4b AK)

msjay2u, if you had read the site you linked me too (which I have read in its entirety in the past, I've actually got it bookmarked on my other computer, its the parts of the code that I told you to read) you would notice that the only requirements are that they be listed in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States and in order to do that all it needs to go through is the "Proving" process, where in a compound is tested and found to cause the symptoms they wish to treat to the satisfaction of somebody somewhere. No scientific method is to be employed, there is no statistical level of significance that they must meet and they do not have to do any tests with the final product that prove that it can do anything at all.

It does require that you get a prescription for anything intended to treat something serious, but that doesn't do a whole lot of good for making sure we use evidence based homeopathy (which in large doses does wonders for acute dehydration).

    Bookmark   July 14, 2008 at 10:48PM
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brendan_of_bonsai(4b AK)

Still haven't heard a reply, thought I'd give it a bump.

    Bookmark   October 16, 2008 at 3:55PM
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I don't know a thing about this homeo whatever stuff. But I found when my rabbits were having their litters and were stressed they would sometimes tend to eat or just kill their young. Especially first time mothers.A lot of noise or other rabbits too close. Or maybe just being checked too often. Quiet is what they need.

    Bookmark   October 16, 2008 at 7:44PM
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brendan_of_bonsai(4b AK)

Thanks for having real advice. Something that struck me; remedies that don't do anything often take off with problems that fix themselves, since first time mothers are more likely to do this "treating" them after the fact is likely to go hand in hand with them never being first time mothers again. They eat a litter once and then get treatment and never eat a litter again and it works no better but costs a lot more than when they eat a litter once and don't get treated and never eat a litter again.

    Bookmark   October 17, 2008 at 3:51AM
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