Uzbek Melons, any members from Uzbekistan?

naatDecember 24, 2012

Year ago or maybe more, After a family member asked me to grow for her Uzbek melons
I went on a quest to find them, But somehow I was out of luck with that
The closest available to the specifics she remembered were melons from Afghanistan, Available at B.C
they also have Uzbek sweetens melon seeds, but it was out of stock wile placing the order last year
Among the crop of dozen varieties of melons last year
That Afghan melon had the best taste
It was not just sweeter than other melons, it just tasted better
Few different people who tasted it confirmed he had the best
taste and texture compared to the other melons
Something between Watermelon to melon, just better.
Flesh was green with slight color change, like green marble
Even at season end those melons were odorless from outside and did not show any will to slip from the vine
My relative admitted, they reminded her Uzbek melons
But not exactly what she remembered
From what I've gathered Surxondaryo province who sit on the Afghan border grows different melons than Xorazm province
and the melons she remembered probably came from Xorazm
or karakalpakstan
Of course it is a mere shot in the dark, But she might have refer to the Non gusht melons
That way or an other, melons from Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan caught my curiosity, but even wile searching on the net using broken Russian or Uzbek, those melons just sailing further and further away from me, fading beyond the horizon
If there is a someone from Uzbekistan reading that post
Or if there is someone who ever grew Uzbek melons
and has seeds photos or information to share, I'm certain
more people than just me will be interested to Hear

Here a photo from: http://jobs-org.ru/?m=201202
It shows melon looking a bit like the Afghan honeydew
but it has salmon colored pulp

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thegreatcob

Uzbekistan does not very good connection to internet.

    Bookmark   December 24, 2012 at 7:56PM
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naat

For westerner, Central Asian countries are not always easy to find through the internet, that is right.
Many Uzbek's can speak Russian,and others can speak English
at least in big populated areas.
To my understanding Uzbekistan is better connected than Turkmenistan.
Not so long ago a nice person from Uzbekistan named Ravshan was writing in that same forum, so it is a matter of coincidence as well.
Uzbek melons were also grown in the USA, David Karp was writing few articles about it, I did contacted him and few others: Balakian Farms, Ruben Mkrtchyan, and others I cannot recall, Most of them were very kind, others did not reapply.
I'm certain that at least on a small scale, seeds of Uzbek melons are circulating in the US, and probably few of those melons can be found where there is a community who yearn for them.
If no one will participate, I'll try to maintain that thread every once in a wile.
I have more than enough melon varieties, much more than I can grow in one season, but growing melons without growing the famous Uzbek ones, it seems to be somewhat lacking.
If not mistaking The photo shows "Melon Torpedo" or Mirzachul, I read a review from Uzbek blogger, describing its taste as almost similar to the Turkish famous kirkagac
The photo is from that article:
http://www.anons.uz/article/society/8032/

I had to edit the post as the Russian and Turkish names were not displayed properly

This post was edited by naat on Wed, Dec 26, 12 at 5:05

    Bookmark   December 26, 2012 at 4:59AM
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teauteau(KC5/6)

I saw these listings in Baker Creek Seeds Catalogue.

http://rareseeds.com/uzbek-sweetness-melon.html Uzbek Sweetness

http://rareseeds.com/afghan-honeydew-melon.html
Afghan honeydew

    Bookmark   December 27, 2012 at 11:54AM
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fusion_power

I will go through my melon seed in a week or two and see if I have any that might fit your description. If you could find a photo or a description that is more detailed, that would help considerably. Meantime, take a look through these pages.

seedzoo

DarJones

    Bookmark   December 27, 2012 at 1:52PM
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naat

teauteau, you are right, I have mentioned it in the opening post.
The Afghan melon is exceptionally tasty, the other one was out of stock last season, and According to the description
the Uzbek Sweetness is not what I'm after
There are seeds available also from other melon referred to as: Uzbek-Russian melon
and I'm not yet certain if it is an Russian version of the Mirzachul or something completely different, from what I have read in Russian gardening forum, people who knows the Uzbek melons say that Mirzachul is not the same as Uzbek-Russian melon, that make sense, the real Mirzachul and other great Uzbek melons, will take longer season to mature.

If you pick up Uzbek telephone guide, pick up a random number,
than call there in the middle of the night, and ask an adult from that household which is the best melon,
Than, apart for blaming you for the late call, they may lecture you till dawn, about different varieties grown in different places, in different seasons, and which is better for drying, and such and so.

completely and utterly a world within itself covered by melons.

Few of the melons I'm searching for were cultivated in California
in the following link there are few articles on that subject

Here is a link that might be useful: articles about melons from latimes

    Bookmark   December 27, 2012 at 2:36PM
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naat

fusion_power, thank you, I'll search for better description, few months ago there was a guy from Uzbekistan posting in that forum, named Ravshan, I missed a replay he sent me 3 months ago with names of preferred melons varieties, The one my relative described from her childhood in Uzbekistan was elongated, slightly pointy at the ends , netted, with alternate colors and spots
she said it had orange or salmon colored pulp,
and a bit crispy in a pleasant succulent way (as opposed to "uncooked potato" type of crispiness)
not sure if that was the Non gusht, as I never seen a picture,
it should have the shape of "Afghan honeydew" maybe larger in size, and more colorful on the outside.

    Bookmark   December 27, 2012 at 3:17PM
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naat

From what I've gathered, the closest by shape, popularity, and taste is the orange version of the shakarpalak
it is named: Kizil shakarpalak
the photo is from:melons in Uzbekistan, (Google books)
other ones Ravshan mentioned for their superb taste were:
obinovvot, bosvoldi, kukcha, regular shakarpalak,Mirzachul
I have read that in California, attempts were made to grow at least two of them on commercial scale those were:
Mirzachul and obinovvot

    Bookmark   December 28, 2012 at 7:47AM
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teauteau(KC5/6)

Naat,
Sorry for duplication of information in my last posting. I get excited reading about produce that is new to me!

Have you contacted Seed Savers Exchange? They might be able to help you locate your melons. They have a lot of information about thousands of heirloom and open pollinated melons. They have members from all over the world and a giant seed bank that you may be able to get access too if you become a member. Here's a link: http://www.seedsavers.org/

    Bookmark   December 28, 2012 at 9:33AM
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fusion_power

See if any of these ring any bells.

Abunabat
Buri kalla
Obinnovvot
Guliabi Orange
Sarik-Kaun
Hangaliak-kokca
Emiri - Lebap
TASHLAKY
Khalt Khol

Darjones

    Bookmark   December 28, 2012 at 1:08PM
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naat

teauteau:
seed savers exchange may bee good place for searching
for the time being I'm using Google translate and writing in Russian speaking forums

Darjones:
Yes it is ringing numerous Christmas bells
Very Impressive melon seeds collection from that part of the globe, you must have been busy.
I'm not familiar with few of those names.
But have tried to gather some information before replying
The Emiri and Tashlaki: are closest to the description, with different pulp color (Cucumis melo var. ameri)
Hangaliak-kokca: Assuming it is not the famous kokcha?, cylinder shape up to 10 pounds, very sweet?
Abunabat: couldn't find about it anything but a photo in tweeter, round with alternate colors?
Obinnovvot: the most famous after Mirzachul, was grown in Mississippi and California
Guliabi Orange: Assuming it is an winter storage melon (Cucumis melo var. zard)?
Khalt Khol, Sarik-Kaun: Did not find anything about it just that seeds were brought to the US from Samarkand at 1989
Buri kalla: Two variations, Makhalliy buri-kallya and Ola buri-kallya (Cucumis melo var. chandalak )
Did you grew all of those in the past, and are they available?

    Bookmark   December 29, 2012 at 9:49AM
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fusion_power

I know where to get them. I will see if they can be obtained. If so, I will send you a message and arrange to forward a few seed to you.

Interestingly, I found one item that is described as red fleshed. Are there any red fleshed Uzbek melons?

DarJones

    Bookmark   December 29, 2012 at 10:51AM
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naat

Red.. sounds interesting, I have never heard of Uzbek melon with red pulp
Was the description written by someone who grew that variety, or collected the seeds?
Uzbek melons who has orange pulp or skin may have the word "Qizil" added to their name
Although in Uzbek "Qizil" means red, they refer more to orange colored pulp or skin
"qizg'ish" means orange color
"to'q sariq" can be orange as well
"sariq" is yellow
"pushti" means pink
"yashil" means green
Dark orange is the closest to red I can think of
Thanks, If it'll work out I'll wait for that message.

    Bookmark   December 30, 2012 at 5:08AM
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fusion_power

Naat, I have the seed in and can send you samples. Please send me an email with your physical address.

DarJones

    Bookmark   January 11, 2013 at 4:21PM
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naat

Thank you for those uplifting news
email sent

    Bookmark   January 11, 2013 at 6:06PM
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HappyBallz(9A/B Valrico,Florida)

fusion_power,
I actually have been looking for Uzbek melons since last year. Do you mind sending me some as well?
I can transfer funds for postage by pay-pal if you like.

I actually got hold of ravshan awhile ago but he replied after some while, so I only got to the email months after his reply since it got barried by spam. lol

I will try to contact him again.

    Bookmark   January 31, 2013 at 6:32PM
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glenn_10 zone 4b/5a NewBrunswick,Can.

Just came across his thread and I too am trying to track down some of these famous Uzbek melon varieties. I have started out with the Uzbek sweetness offered by baker creek. I would really like to acquire some others for spring planting 2015.

Glenn

    Bookmark   September 6, 2014 at 10:05PM
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pnbrown

Growing melons in z5a? That's no easy trick..

    Bookmark   September 7, 2014 at 8:17AM
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glenn_10 zone 4b/5a NewBrunswick,Can.

pnbrown, I have been growing various melons since 2006. the first few years I merely started indoors and planted out then depending on the season would have varying degree's of success dependant on variety. The last few years I get boat loads even with our very strange short and cool year we had this year. I fabricated a bunch of 4x8 mini green houses which go over top of either garbage bags or black weed barrier. I must pay close attention to the weather forecasts as it can get so hot inside it totally fries everything if I don't open the ends on a 70-75F day it can get well into the hundreds.
I have gone a little melon crazy and this fall/winter I will be fabbing up even more bigger homes for some of the more rampant growers who love heat. I haven't even finished harvesting this years crop and I am already getting a whole acre dedicated to growing melons prepped.

Glenn

    Bookmark   September 10, 2014 at 8:37PM
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