Any dove experts?

youreitAugust 17, 2006

The bird, not the soap. :)

So, I've been hearing what I thought was a mourning dove in the neighborhood for the last week or so. I finally got a pic and movie of it on Tuesday. I showed DH, who said, "That's not a mourning dove! It's a band-tailed pigeon!"

Not as exciting for me, but, ok. So, I looked it up, and it's definitely NOT a BT pigeon. What I discovered is that it's either a ringed turtle dove or a Eurasian collared dove! Holy carp!

The only problem is that I can't figure out which one. From the descriptions I've found online, it really does appear to be an EC dove, but....at last count, they were back east (think Florida). However, it has been reported that they could very well be spotted out here eventually.

It's pretty big, most definitely bigger than a mourning dove, so that's my main basis for calling it an EC dove. It was cooing in the branches above my driveway after it landed on the cedar feeder and looked at the vittles like, "How do I get that goodness in me!?" Then, it got spooked by one of the MANY trucks going by hauling honeydews, and landed on the telephone wire. Let's just say that it doesn't have the best balance I've seen. LOL

I tried scattering some feed in the driveway, thinking it might prefer to hunt and peck at it that way. Nope. Then I saw it again yesterday, out by the pond on a fence post. He was looking around ("he" seems so lonely!), then he hunkered down, trying out the "no-neck" look. Very fetching. Then, a truck came by....

Sorry for the excited ramblings! I just don't know anyone else who would get so worked up about these things than you great people. :)

And here he is....

Brenda

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ademink(z5a-5b Indianapolis)

It's a ringed turtle dove! how sweet!

    Bookmark   August 17, 2006 at 9:20PM
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ademink(z5a-5b Indianapolis)

Ok...interesting stuff:

10-21", like a pale whitish mourning dove but tail rounded rather than pointed. light tan w/ narrow, black collar on hind neck.

voice quite different from that of other doves in the west...a purring cooing, cuckcurrooo, uttered repeatedly by the male almost all year round. also nasal wheeze. lol

habitat: suburbs, gardens, parks

nesting: 2 white eggs on a flimsy stick platform in a tree

range: LA, California - escaped from captivity!!! (isnt' that wild?) Also established locally in S. Florida. This southern asian species has been a cagebird in europe and the orient for centuries. the small population in downtown LA has apparently not spread and is localized in a few parks and tree-lined streets.

Girl, I think you have a bit of a rarity on your hands!

    Bookmark   August 17, 2006 at 9:23PM
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ademink(z5a-5b Indianapolis)

ok, i really didn't even read your post...roflol. i just looked at the pic and started researching my (bazillion) bird books. is it more gray or more tannish?

Similar species:
Ringed Turtle Dove similar and is best separated by its different song. Eurasian Collared Dove has darker primaries, more obvious white in the neck, is larger with a longer tail and has a grayer plumage.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2006 at 9:26PM
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semper_fi(Z7 GA)

Ademink, have you considered decaf! :-)))

    Bookmark   August 17, 2006 at 10:19PM
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ademink(z5a-5b Indianapolis)

haaaaaaaaaaa

NEVER.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2006 at 11:00PM
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jeanner(SW Ohio - Z6)

Ohh, too cool! It's so exciting when a new bird shows up and you got a picture too!

I just bought a subscription to the Birds of North AMerica website and this is what they say about Eurasion Collared-Doves....

One of many successful species introduced to the North American fauna in recent history, the Eurasian Collared-Dove was first released in the New World on New Providence, Bahamas, in the mid-1970s. Since its introduction, this dove has spread quickly across the North American continent. Reports of this bird continue at a rapid pace as the public is made aware of its presence
Fairly uniformly distributed in Florida, Georgia, and along the Gulf Coast of Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana. Locally common in Alabama, Arkansas, sw. California, se. Colorado, and regions of Illinois, Kan-sas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, N. Carolina, Oklahoma, S. Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. Reports of small numbers (1Â10 doves) from Arizona, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Minnesota, New Jersey, N. Dakota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, S. Dakota, and Wisconsin, as well as Saskatchewan, Canada. May occur in Mexico; all sw. Texas counties have reported observations. ... But not in Ohio :^(

There diet consists of ....
In North America, seeds and cereal grain offered from bird feeders and spilled from agriculture. Includes seeds of millet (Setaria spp.), sunflower (Helianthus spp.), milo (Sorghum spp.), wheat (Triticum spp.), and maize (Zea mays). Reported also to take spilled peanuts (Arachis hypogaea) from warehouse (Drennen 1997), fallen pecans (Carya illinoensis) crushed by automobiles on road (Steele 1998), crackers, and bread (CMR). Same male observed eating berries directly from Dahoon holly (Ilex cassine) every day for a week in early Aug 2001 in s. Florida (CMR). Flocks seen feeding on gravel in parking lots in Florida (CMR).

And thanks Brenda, I haven't had any new birds in awhile so it was fun to research something new!

    Bookmark   August 17, 2006 at 11:06PM
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fairy_toadmother

hmmmm, who was here from florida that referred to them? another time way back..it tickles my memory. or, maybe it was chicka on a florida visit?

    Bookmark   August 18, 2006 at 3:33AM
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youreit

LOL @ nasal wheeze!! And I thought he liked me. :D Seriously, I haven't heard that sound yet.

Thanks so much for your help, ladies! (And Fig eye, for your most perceptive suggestions. LOL)

The perplexing thing is that it's coloring seemed like that of the RT dove (slightly paler, but mainly, not as pronounced in the dark area on the tail), but Cornell described their size as similar to the mourning dove, only heavier. They described the EC dove as quite larger than the mourning dove, as mine is most definitely. They also mentioned that the possibility of hybrids is not unheard of.

However, I didn't see him yesterday at all, so I hope that wherever he is, he's happy! I'll keep some feed on the ground for him, too....just in case.

Brenda

    Bookmark   August 18, 2006 at 10:47AM
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youreit

Yay! He's still here! And, according to a very nice neighbor lady, he has a mate!!!! Yeah, I'm excited. LOL I guess they're living in one of the big trees near her house.

I'm just SO relieved that "he's" not alone out there in the world. I sure hope they're able to have babies and begin a flock. I've christened them Adam and Eve. :D

Brenda

    Bookmark   August 24, 2006 at 9:04AM
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jeanner(SW Ohio - Z6)

LOL at Adam and Eve, maybe you will have evetts next spring!

The mourning doves love safflower seed - I wonder if the EC would also?? Doesn't C3D have doves?

    Bookmark   August 24, 2006 at 11:14PM
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youreit

I'm going to check out some safflower seed today, but...they actually grow huge fields of it here. A buffet extraordinaire for the little darlings! I saw a small bag of it at Wallie World the other day for $7-something.

Maybe it's time to take the flashlight and make a midnight run. :D

C3D! I hope she posts soon. I miss her good energy. :)

Brenda

    Bookmark   August 25, 2006 at 8:41AM
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bonnieblueyes

Brenda, I know this is an old post but Ive been reading back a few pages and im excited for you to. We have these and my mom just loves them sooooo much. Its the first year for us having them and im wondering are they still with you? Did they make it with you or moved on? We have about 6 right now and i have never seen them before this year. I live in Tennessee and i was wondering if yours are still there. Mine are large just like your picture and they love to eat off the ground and chase the mourning doves around and coo and make weird noises. They are pretty neat characters.-------------bonnie

    Bookmark   July 21, 2007 at 7:56PM
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youreit

Bonnie, the 2 "lovebirds" are definitely still with us! Every morning, I hear them make that weird, guttural sort of "cahhh", and I always think, "Hmmm, crows?" Nope, that's the noise they make when flying! I don't hear them coo very often, but when they do, it's like Christmas for me! :D

Ours don't visit the yard to feed at this point, and I think it's because we have a phone line and my (long-gone) dog Red's old runner strung across it. They aren't very agile flyers or, more importantly, landers (roosters?), and the couple of times one has tried it, it looked very awkward. LOL They DO visit the creek often to drink, though, since that's away from the lines.

Congrats on your visitors, too!! I sure hope they stick around for you. They really are a delight to have around.

Brenda

    Bookmark   July 22, 2007 at 11:28AM
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christiner(S. Oregon zone7)

Same dilema here in Southern Oregon: It looks like a mourning dove only heavier and with a fan tail instead of a pointed tail. The tail has a wide white band on the end of like a band-tail pigeon but, again, it's the buffy color of a mourning dove. The call is in between the band-tail and the mourning dove too: It's, "Who-cooks....you?" without the third syllable of the band-tail and without the pitch change of the mourning dove.

Can anyone confirm species or variant?

    Bookmark   July 1, 2010 at 5:02PM
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chickadeedeedee(z 6-7 ish Ohio)

Could be an escaped Ring-neck Dove. Those are captive bred doves for centuries and are not native to any country.

If you post a photo it might help but I *think* that's who you have ... if it isn't your basic Rock Dove.

The White-winged and White-fronted are not in Oregon.

    Bookmark   July 2, 2010 at 2:23PM
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