sunflower?

adidas(6/7)June 6, 2014

These are mostly in disturbed wooded areas or at the edge of the wood....I guess they need sun. They are growing in a cove forest in Northern VA and in most locations they have been chewed so much by little green grubs that they are almost unrecognisable...so somebody likes them :) Any ideas?

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plantknitter(8)

nettles?-- Urtica dioica

    Bookmark   June 6, 2014 at 7:12PM
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adidas(6/7)

Stupid ? but don't all nettles have stinging hairs? If they do, this doesn't so it can't be a nettle. However, if there are hairless nettles...you could be right! Thank-you!

    Bookmark   June 6, 2014 at 7:14PM
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Desirai(7B)

dead nettles don't have stinging hairs, however I'm pretty sure this isn't a dead nettle. not a sunflower though, unless a "wild" sunflower

    Bookmark   June 6, 2014 at 7:25PM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

It isn't Urtica dioica or a Lamium. And it certainly isn't stupid to say stinging nettles sting. I'm always surprised when people ask for a stinging nettle id and haven't actually tried the obvious test. It hardly hurts and doesn't last very long. More a tingle than a pain if you just touch with a fingertip.

The plant in the picture looks to me almost shrubby. Are the bottoms of those stems beginning to get a little woody?

    Bookmark   June 7, 2014 at 7:30AM
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adidas(6/7)

Floral, thanks for the input.

In some places it looks shrubby but in other places, it's just a single stem and it is definitely choice food for something! It isn't exactly woody on older stems but for lack of better terms it is more "fibrous"? Stiffer?

Don't see any flower buds but it does have secondary growth where the petiole joins the stem...sort of similar to mints.

    Bookmark   June 7, 2014 at 12:40PM
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linaria_gw

Could it be some Stachys? Around here it could be S sylvatica, not sure where it roams on earth.

    Bookmark   June 7, 2014 at 3:36PM
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adidas(6/7)

Thanks for your input Linaria. I can see some similarities...but I'm having a hard time narrowing down the possibilities....it is such a large genus! I do have feverwort...which is also similar to Stachys but I don't think that's in the Stachys genus. I may have to wait 'til it flowers...if any of the plants survive whatever is munching on them!

    Bookmark   June 7, 2014 at 9:01PM
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flying_c(6a)

Could it be circaea lutetiana, enchanter's nightshade?

    Bookmark   June 7, 2014 at 10:18PM
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adidas(6/7)

Hmmm....never heard of that one but it is a good candidate! Thanks...could be that!

    Bookmark   June 8, 2014 at 6:44AM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Pretty sure it's not C lutetiana. That's a very common weed in my garden and doesn't look much like the plant in the photo. Leaves are too toothed for a start and the whole thing is too tall.

    Bookmark   June 8, 2014 at 7:46AM
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weedwoman(z6 NJ)

Take a look at White Vervain, Verbena urticifolia. I just saw some today and it looked quite a bit like this.

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Here is a link that might be useful: White Vervain

    Bookmark   June 8, 2014 at 2:44PM
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adidas(6/7)

Thanks for the input! The leaf is similar but I have a large number of the plants and none of them seems to be reaching anywhere near that height...one description said they get up to 4 ft! Now, they may have a bit more growing to do but they're not going to get to 4 ft....so you could be on the right track...I just don't think it's this species.

    Bookmark   June 8, 2014 at 3:03PM
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vmr423

Without flowers, it's hard to say, but I would consider Purple Giant Hyssop (Agastache scrophulariifolia) as a possibility...

Leaves have a minty/licorice/herbal smell when crushed...

    Bookmark   June 8, 2014 at 3:25PM
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jaynine

Scutellaria serrata?

    Bookmark   June 8, 2014 at 4:21PM
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adidas(6/7)

All these plants are beginning to look the same! I will crush a leaf tomorrow...per the minty/licorice smell....and Scutellaria serrata def. looks like a possibility....hoping to see flowers soon! Thank-you both!

    Bookmark   June 8, 2014 at 9:38PM
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adidas(6/7)

Ok.....no mint smell or otherwise...just scent of crushed leaf. Leaves are pubescent and stems are square if that helps...and it just occurred to me that I posted last week with a large clump of these...I thought they were different but now I think I'm looking at the same plant and Vera said she was sure they were Heliopsis helianthoides. Is she right?

    Bookmark   June 9, 2014 at 8:12AM
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flying_c(6a)

I think this is false nettle, boehmeria cylindrica. Height seems right, as do the square stems. Will be obvious when it blooms, anyway, so please come back and let us know!

Here is a link that might be useful: Boehmeria cylindrica

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 9:32PM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Leaf veins are not right for Boehmeria cylindrica. I don't know what it is but I know a lot of things it isn't ;-)

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 1:52PM
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jekeesl (south-central Arkansas)(7b)

How about Scrophularia marilandica or Agastache nepetoides, both tall plants with opposite, toothed leaves. And although the second one is in the mint family, it is said to not have that characteristic mint fragrance.

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 9:58PM
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