chocolate ??????????

pete41(9ab FL.)February 13, 2007

Bad news -had to give up my lifelong affair with candy bars.

good news- dark chocolate supposed to be good for heart patients.

That being the case the boss of all bosses said I could have one piece of dark chocolate a day-about one inch by two.

I said ``when then, lets go to world market and get some of that really good Belgian dark chocolate''.She replied Hersheys was good enough for me.

Isn't that discrimination? Who says only women can appreciate good chocolate? Would you buy a guy the good stuff?

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michelle_co(z5 CO)

I would at least buy Doves Darks. They come in little packages of wrapped squares. They are pretty darned good. It's for your health, right?

MMMMMM, chocolate.


    Bookmark   February 13, 2007 at 1:22PM
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I guess you can't have anything in the middle of the chocolate? Dark chocolate Milky Ways are wonderful and they make them in the mini version. How about a dark chocolate covered pretzel. The pretzel in the middle can't hurt you.

I feel you pain!

    Bookmark   February 13, 2007 at 1:27PM
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DH knows not to get between me and my Dark Chocolate. Dove Dark Chocolates are worthy and two is my limit a day. Easy to transport for afternoon snack. If I want to splurge then let's talk about good European ones, and I had an excellent russian one all acquired from whole foods. Valrhona is my staple for Brownies. I'm afraid Hershey's just doesn't compare to these. Those that don't like dark chocolate just don't's like a good bottle of wine you can't skimp or you'll be hanging with the Night Train crowd. ;-)

    Bookmark   February 13, 2007 at 1:50PM
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kathwhit(z8, West OR)

Good chocolate is like good wine. Don't buy the cheap stuff. I would definitely think you are worth the good stuff, Pete. Mmmmmm.....chocolate!

    Bookmark   February 13, 2007 at 2:16PM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Hey Pete, I picked up a bag of Hershey's Extra Dark Assortment, 1 x 2s, 60% cacao at Costco last week....I don't find them any sacrifice at all :)

In fact, generous soul that I am, I hid them in the kitchen towel drawer....

    Bookmark   February 13, 2007 at 2:37PM
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Hershey's? That doesn't even count as chocolate. I like the Dove dark chocolate. There are a couple of good local places in Wisconsin too where I can get really good chocolate. There's a place in Oshkosh called Hughes Chocolates that makes the best chocolate filled easter eggs. There's also a gourmet place in Verona called Candidas that is rated well in Consumer Reports. They're good (and they ship) but I still think Hughes is better.

It's almost Valentine's day - you might suggest that even guys appreciate a box on chocolates on Vday.

    Bookmark   February 13, 2007 at 2:39PM
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catkim(San Diego 10/24)

Do go to world market, but look for the tablets of dark chocolate from around the world: Chile, Guatemala, Colombia, Ecuador, Ivory Coast, Belgium, France, Russia, many choices! As mentioned above, the percentage of cacao should be on the label: 55%, 60%, 70, 80, even 90%. It's fun to take one square of each to compare the richness, the bitterness, the fullness of each bite. Nice with some red wine for valentine's day. You'd be surprised how moderate the calorie count is without all the sugar a la Hershey's.

    Bookmark   February 13, 2007 at 3:06PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

Hershey's is marketing their own brand of "high-end" chocolate under the brand Cacao Reserve.

I'm fortunate to have a pretty good chocolate shop here. And I really like Ghirardelli's dark squares with mint. ButI could not live without Hershey's milk chocolate, especially Kisses.

Here is a link that might be useful: Hershey's Cacao Reserve

    Bookmark   February 13, 2007 at 3:53PM
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Tell the boss that you must have somthing better as Hershey bars have less of the beneficial cocoa and more sugar than say Lindt's 70% or 99% bars

    Bookmark   February 13, 2007 at 4:15PM
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carla17(Z7 NC)

Chocolate, one of the best things in life.


    Bookmark   February 13, 2007 at 5:28PM
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How wonderful to see that people really do understand that not everything brown and waxy is chocolate. I remember that as a kid, I was so disappointed in the fact that Americans called it chocolate if thats what the label said, regardless of what it was.

Chocolate is made from cocoa beans that are fermented and then warmed and ground until they are a smooth paste. The longer the paste is stirred, or conched, the smoother the resulting chocolate, because the crystals within get smaller and smaller. You add a little bit of sugar, keep it conching, and you get good stuff.

But the fat is valuable on its own. So some manufacturers take out part or even all (!!!) of the fat and replace it with palm kernel oil or something. That's like taking butter out of your cookie and replacing with Crisco. Who would eat that? Look at most of the candy bars in drugstores and see what they are made of. Anything that contains more than four or five ingredients - cocoa based butter and solids, sugar, and maybe dry milk or flavoring, plus nuts, fruit, etc., should be avoided IMO. Lethicin in small amounts is tolerable, but the cheapies use it because it makes the chocolate smoother without all the extra work.

For what it's worth - Jacques Torres just leaves the conching wheel on non-stop. Going and going and going . . .

So the Milky Ways don't do it. The only chocolate on those is the coating, and that's largely wax. Mars does make better chocolates - they are just more money. And I think they own Dove now too.

Hersheys is coming out with better stuff, but their basic stuff is not qualified as chocolate IMO. Same with Nestle - they own most of the chocolate mfgs in the world, but their crunch bars, etc., are not really chocolate.

And why substitute? You only live once.

Better news for Pete - Mars funds lots of, or maybe most of, the research into the beneficial effects of chocolate. But to their credit, they don't interfere with the researchers. At any rate, because there is some evidence that there are some beneficial compounds in chocolate, they simply increased those in the Dove line. And made no claims and garnered no publicity for it. So if in fact the research is correct, you're doing good with Dove.

    Bookmark   February 14, 2007 at 3:01PM
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michelle_co(z5 CO)

One of my friends brought back chocolates from Amsterdam that had various sorts of tea added to them: green tea, bergamot, orange. Those were the best things ever. If you doubt it, try popping a chocolate in your mouth and taking a swig of hot tea. The chocolate melts, the flavors mingle...

(Dreamy Sigh!)

Happy Valentines Day!

    Bookmark   February 14, 2007 at 7:59PM
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Now I'm goign crazy trying to imagine bergamot in chocolate good dark chocolate covered orange peel. I know a woman who used to make it and she gave me the recipe wow what a whole lot of trouble that is!

    Bookmark   February 14, 2007 at 11:58PM
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harryshoe zone6 eastern Pennsylvania

Dark chocolate is one of my favorite things in life also. DW loves to bring home the real strong stuff. I have found that I no longer like basic chocolate like Hershey's kisses. It just tastes funny now.

Kinda like when you follow a pint of Guinness with Coors Light.

    Bookmark   February 15, 2007 at 11:24AM
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Louis XV's mistress made him eat chocolate every night can guess why. Tell the boss that. I think you are worth the best you can get!

    Bookmark   February 15, 2007 at 7:51PM
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"Now I'm goign crazy trying to imagine bergamot in chocolate woooowza"

Go over to Jacques Torres and get the Earl Grey Tea truffle. Awesome. He's over on King near Varick.

    Bookmark   February 20, 2007 at 5:10PM
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sammy zone 7 Tulsa

I do love chocolate, and sugar. I know that everyone here will disagree with me, but .....I don't think wine and chocolate are good for us. Those are huge industries that can accumulate information that will take years to refute. I think both products are addicting, and when I allowed myself a small amount, I became obsessive, and only thought about when my next allowance would come. Once piece a day would turn into one piece a day, and one bar a week. The week would begin with Friday being the one bar day, but then another day would become more worthy. Still I had a right to Friday. Before too long I was eating a huge Milky Way everyday.

I gave them up 2 years ago, and that means I gave up the obsession.

I am saying that I have abnormal attitudes, not that you are all wrong. Sometimes I feel like there are small industries everywhere that are out to get us.


    Bookmark   February 21, 2007 at 6:27AM
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Xocai healthy dark chocolate does not have the extra sugar and fillers most chocolates do. This is a chocolate that is actually GOOD for you. It is not a candy, it is a health food. One that you can feel good about eating.

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    Bookmark   May 16, 2007 at 11:29PM
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Godiva and belgian chocolates are my first true loves... DH, the flying furballs, Max the Moo and Ted the Bear are all poor seconds...

    Bookmark   May 17, 2007 at 8:41AM
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wild_rose_of_texas(z8b TX)

I am loving this thread!
I confess, although I love chocolate, or what I have always thought was chocolate, I had no idea of the cultish following there appears to be for finer chocolates! I am in awe of all of you chocolate experts! You guys really know how to live!


    Bookmark   May 19, 2007 at 10:50PM
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Hershey is not good enough for you...

Being a baker by trade, I say go with Valrhona or Callebaut for dark chocolate nibbling, and you can get them in bite-sized pieces, perfect for that little bit a day. You can various percentages of "darkness", and there's no, repeat, no comparison. Also consider Pralus, Grand Cru, Pernigotti, etc.

The website below is also an AWsome resource for lots of other great specialty things for any cooks out there.

Here is a link that might be useful: Try

    Bookmark   May 24, 2007 at 5:33PM
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I love really good chocolate and can totally live without virtually all chocolate you can buy in normal stores. To me they are almost not the same food category. European darks with a high cocoa content are the best! I do not do milk chocolate with the rare exception of very expensive filled chocolates (IF I like the filling). Well, and I'll eat bite sized Snickers when I'm desperate for sugar. LOL.

Pete, Hershey's is NOT good enough for you. Stand up for your rights, man! If your access to sinful pleasures is slowly contracting (know the feeling), you need to make every sin count. Go European. I am sure the Rose Forummers would be glad to chip in on a 2 lb box of Godiva dark to make a point to your DW.

Or, you could tell her she has a choice between the expensive dark chocolate or your cute little garden pet.

    Bookmark   May 24, 2007 at 6:06PM
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