Moonstone?

Desertgarden- Las Vegas, Z8b @ 2800 ft.January 20, 2014

Hi,

Can you help me select an alternate rose for Moonstone? This rose will be place along a driveway, but in an area without a lot of foot traffic. Moonstone is beautiful, but I fear that it will become too tall, and I am not sure if it will become leggy like some hybrid teas, so a floribunda would actually be preferred. I am searching for a similar look, white edged with pink, but a height of about 3-4'. I would really appreciate your suggestions.

Lynn

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diane_nj 6b/7a

Moonstone is actually one of the fuller HTs in my garden, but it gets to be 7' tall.

I'm kind of stuck on a flori, maybe Belami (Elegant Fairy Tale), a Kordes, but it might be too pink. Oh, duh, Summer Fashion! But, it isn't easy to find.

Might I suggest a miniature? Joy is lovely, but it might also get beyond 4' tall in your zone.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 12:36PM
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Desertgarden- Las Vegas, Z8b @ 2800 ft.

diane_nj,

Thanks for the suggestions. I am looking to purchase a rose to plant as soon as it can be shipped, hopefully within the next week. I think a mini would get lost in the area and I hoped for a rose whose blooms would make more of an impact. I could probably keep a 5' rose down to 4'. In mid to late August, we chop the top 1/3 off of most moderns and clean them up a bit as normal protocol.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 1:55PM
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lesmc

I am so in love with Guinevere. Although she is white with a pink tint not edge. Blooms all the time and stays around 3-4 ft...very full. Garden Party is another suggestion but might get a little taller. Secret might work also. French Lace is cream with a pink tint...another favorite of mine. Good Luck with your search. Lesley

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 3:53PM
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kstrong(10 So Cal)

Moonstone will get big. 8 feet here. I'm thinking more something like Regensberg would be nice. That would be if the area is in full sun all the time. Or else Our Lady of Guadalupe. If there is some significant shade, I'd go with LoveStruck. All three are bloom machines.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 4:39PM
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Desertgarden- Las Vegas, Z8b @ 2800 ft.

Lesley,

Is Guinevere the Harkness rose? If so, HMF has it listed as an Apricot blend?? The images of Secret and Garden Party appear white edged in pink, and look as though they would be perfect, but, HMF has them both listed as yellow with pink, not whiteâ¦.???

kstrong, I like OLoG a lot. The rose will receive morning sun and a couple hours of afternoon sun so heat tolerance is a must for the summers. I had a feeling that Moonstone would become too tall as roses do not go dormant here either.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 5:16PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Our Lady of Guadalupe is similar in coloring but more pink than white. A white with a darker edge is Cherry Parfait. There are a lot of floris that might fit the bill or a small shrub rose too. I think there are several Buck shrub roses that might have the coloring you want.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 5:17PM
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Desertgarden- Las Vegas, Z8b @ 2800 ft.

Hi Seil,

I have always moved away from Buck roses as somewhere I got the notion that they are intended for cold climates?? Cold climate roses, I was advised a while back, should not be a "go to" for here, and to look at the zones ratings as a point of reference among other factors in determining if the rose will be able to tolerate the summer here.

This rose will be in the vicinity of Belinda's Dream so my goal is to find a white, with a pink that would look nice with the B.D. pink.

I really like OLoG but it seems as though it might look blah next to B.D. or just kind of blend in to the color scheme.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 5:59PM
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susan4952(5)

Cherry parfait is a beauty. Wish she had a fragrance...and while I am wishing, wish moonstone survived Chicago winters!

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 6:19PM
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susan4952(5)

California dreamin?

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 6:27PM
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kstrong(10 So Cal)

My next two thoughts were Easter Basket and Escapade. Don't worry -- you won't see much yellow in Easter Basket unless it rains. The yellow fades out as soon as the bloom opens, even here on the coast. But it leave a nice pink/white combo after the yellow fades.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 7:35PM
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lesmc

Desert...I can only speak to my garden here in KY. Yes, Guinevere is a Harkness rose. It is creamy white with a slight pink blush to it. I see no yellow in French Lace or Secret. My eye is usually pretty good..I taught art for 25 years but location and sun exposure might make the difference. Good Luck in your search. Lesley .

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 9:16PM
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susan4952(5)

Easter basket is yummy, too.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 9:26PM
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Desertgarden- Las Vegas, Z8b @ 2800 ft.

Lesley,

The images on HMF appear the way you describe, and the websites that sell the rose list it as cream blushed with pink; or white, definitely not yellow. That description could be an error.

Guinevere really is gorgeous!!!! I have been searching for a pink rose to place in front of my Don Juan climber. Guinevere is now a contender for sure.

Thank you so much for your help. Btw, I have enjoyed seeing the posted images of your beautiful garden.

Lynn

This post was edited by desertgarden561 on Mon, Jan 20, 14 at 22:58

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 9:34PM
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susan4952(5)

You 're welcome .

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 11:04PM
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Desertgarden- Las Vegas, Z8b @ 2800 ft.

Susan4952,

I am typing on my IPad mini due to its portability, and pasted elements from an e-mail, deleting everything except for part of a greeting, managed to skip right over Easter Basket, which is absolutely gorgeous. Sometimes I do not know why I do not wait to use my computer to read posts/post ( as I type on my IPad mini....) as I am always editing what I type on this little screen.

I am partial to dark green leaves as well. HMF has it listed as a "yellow" blend too???? It isn't reading yellow at all. How does it appear in person?

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 11:18PM
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iris_gal(z9 CA)

'Secret' grows vigorously to 6 ft.+ here. I notice some breeders use yellow instead of ivory in descriptions. Obviously not women.

'Garden Party' was more of a pale yellow that faded out to white. I loved its elegant blooms, especially when the pale yellow was present. Alas, too disease prone here. I love the combination of soft pinks and soft yellows.

Have you considered a smaller bloom like 'Gourmet Popcorn'? I saw a pic of 'Eden' and 'Jeanne La Joie' together on a trellis and the combination of lg. blms. with the mini was excruciatingly beautiful.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 11:38PM
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Desertgarden- Las Vegas, Z8b @ 2800 ft.

Iris_gal,

I was hoping to find a white with a complimentary pink edging, or a rose with a deep contrasting color to be placed near Belinda's Dream. Honestly, I have an aversion to minis; I found the deadheading process a royal pain and often wanted to break out my hedgers to just cut away....

Lynn

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 12:28AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Lynn, what about "Falling in Love". The local rosarian here recommended it and it has a similar look to "Moonstone". I had no idea "Moonstone" got that tall! Mine is a standard, but it does handle heat well.

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 12:01PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Both Garden Party and Falling in Love are HTs and will have the same tall lanky growth habit of Moonstone. My Garden Party can get 6 or 7 feet tall in a good season. And Falling in Love is THE THORNIEST rose on the planet!

I did a search on HMF and came up with a few more suggestions. These should all be readily available online. There were more but they looked like they'd be hard to find.

Aperitif
Charles Asnavour
Hanna Gordon
Nicole
La Marne

They're all listed as white with pink edges. Take a look at them and see if any of them are what you'd like.

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 2:50PM
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kstrong(10 So Cal)

well, Seil, having grown all those, here are my comments.

Charles Asnavour (usually sold as "Seduction" here) -- kind of like a mini -- smallish plant, small flowers.
Apertif -- okay rose, but doesn't bloom enuf.
Hanna Gordon -- this rose is sold in nurseries as Nicole, so I am thinking you probably mean the same rose with this one. Can be 9 or 10 feet. It's a climber (yeah I know they say florrie, but it's not). One big rose. The real Nicole on the other hand would be a fabulous choice, but it's not commercially available in the U.S. I have one, but I don't know anyplace you can buy it, because the U.S. commercial industry sells the real Hannah Gordon under the name Nicole.
La Marne -- good choice.

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 3:15PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Thanks for the info on them, Kathy! I've only grown La Marne my self, and of course my climate is very different from Lynn's, so your input is very valuable!

Like I said, I did an advanced search at HMF for a white flori/shrub/poly that had pink edges and these were the most common ones that came up. There were quite a few others but they didn't look like they were available easily here.

Here is a link that might be useful: HMF search

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 3:25PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

My beef with Moonstone is the split centers and terrible rust. I'm going to dig out my last one.

White with pink--'Sharifa Asma'? Doesn't get that tall, stupendous fragrance. Not high-centered, though. 'Sweet Vivian' stays 3-4', but who sells that one anymore?

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 4:39PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

Roses Unlimited sells "Sweet Vivien" 1961

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 10:19PM
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susan4952(5)

Nicole is a good choice

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 10:51PM
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Desertgarden- Las Vegas, Z8b @ 2800 ft.

Years ago, I grew Nicole, or Hannah Gordon, or Tabrizâ¦. I really do not know which rose it actually was. It was easily 7' tall, but gorgeous. It is still one of my favorites but too tall for the space.

HMF has La Marne listed as a salmon pink???

Hoovb, I very unsuccessfully grew Sharifa Asma about 12 years ago. Unfortunately, I do not remember what the issue was, but think it was poor placement. I find myself drawn to this rose over and over again. Are you familiar with its heat tolerance?

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 11:25PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Are you familiar with its heat tolerance

Couldn't tell you--not super hot here.

    Bookmark   January 22, 2014 at 4:11PM
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azurerose(9 Coastal California)

Johann Strauss might fit the bill.

Here is a link that might be useful: Johann Strauss

    Bookmark   January 22, 2014 at 5:18PM
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susan4952(5)

My Jeanne la joie would be a floppy spider without a trellis. Pretty rose, tho.

    Bookmark   January 22, 2014 at 6:53PM
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the_bustopher z6 MO

If you want something that is white with pink edging, I would suggest one of these two varieties. First is a look at Crescendo which is also quite fragrant and consistent in flower quality.

The other one I might suggest is Gemini which is variable in color and has flower edges ranging from pink to coral.

Perhaps one of these two would fill your bill.

    Bookmark   January 23, 2014 at 12:05AM
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Desertgarden- Las Vegas, Z8b @ 2800 ft.

Hi,

I am so overwhelmed but have made a list of your suggestions, hoping to see them during my visit to Huntington Gardens in the Spring or at my local nursery. I think then my choice will be instantaneous; I hope.....

Thanks so much for you help:)

This post was edited by desertgarden561 on Fri, Jan 24, 14 at 13:33

    Bookmark   January 24, 2014 at 1:27PM
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Maryl zone 7a

Just a few thoughts from a hot summer climate on a couple of roses mentioned here. SECRET while a wonderful rose, does better in cooler climates, Our LADY OF GUADALUPE does just fine in our heat and after 7 years or so here still isn't over 4 feet tall. I can't imagine ever being without this wonderful rose in my garden.... I grew GUINEVERE as a standard and found it's blooms quite lovely. Don't remember any problems with heat tolerance..... EASTER BASKET was in our city's rose garden chock full of blooms in late summer after our usual months of blast furnance heat. It was noticelable from a distance and was on the shorter rounded side. Very nice. I don't grow it, but you may want to check into it for yourself. Good Luck......Maryl

    Bookmark   January 24, 2014 at 4:45PM
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susan4952(5)

Gemini is more of a pale coral edge in Chicago.

    Bookmark   January 24, 2014 at 8:31PM
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susan4952(5)

And check out princess grace and elegant lady.

    Bookmark   January 24, 2014 at 8:33PM
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sandandsun(9a FL)

the_bustopher shows Crescendo above.

On the HMF page linked below (you'll have to click over to the description page afterward) we see Excellent ratings for color, form, hardiness, and disease resistance.

However, the rose is ONLY "good." Could someone explain that math to me? Also can anyone confirm or deny its blackspot resistance?

It's new.

Has it really been properly reviewed?

I have no experience with it, but, well, just look... In Florida

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Crescendo'

    Bookmark   April 7, 2014 at 2:02AM
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sandandsun(9a FL)

A more consistent link for "In Florida":

Here is a link that might be useful: Crescendo In Florida

    Bookmark   April 8, 2014 at 1:15AM
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