Bloom type: Fully Double and Flat? So confused!

DisplacedClevelander(6a)January 27, 2013

So I am having buyers remorse. A few minutes ago I purchased Waanrobe because it is red and super fragrant (from Heirloom's description).

It's described as having a bloom type that is both fully double and flat. What does that mean? How could it be both?

Tried looking photos up via Google image search but its not yielding that much. It would be helpful if I could look up another type of rose that has the same type of bloom type. Any suggestions?

Not sure if this bloom type "fully double and flat" looks like and is it something you find with Grandifloras? Is this going to be a weird looking rose?

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roseseek

"Weird", like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. If you do an Advanced Search for HT or Grandiflora (really no difference), very double with flat bloom form, it provides you with thirty pages of examples. One of the easiest is the rose which is known in commerce as Sombreuil. Very full (double) and flat. Does that give you an idea? Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: Sombreuil

    Bookmark   January 27, 2013 at 8:26PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Yes, like Sombreuil. Another would be 'Prospero'. I find that form quite beautiful, but as Kim said, eye of the beholder and all that.

    Bookmark   January 28, 2013 at 12:02AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Love the photo hoovb!

    Bookmark   January 28, 2013 at 12:04AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Love the photo hoovb!

    Bookmark   January 28, 2013 at 12:05AM
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seil zone 6b MI

From the pictures on HMF it doesn't look particularly flat to me. It's rather pretty!

Here is a link that might be useful: Waanrode at HMF

    Bookmark   January 28, 2013 at 12:22AM
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sherryocala

DisplacedClevelander, "fully double" refers to petal count and "flat" refers to bloom shape. If you go to Advanced Search on HMF and then click Bloom, you will find lists of all the possibilities in those criteria. Hopefully, that will make more sense of it for you.

Sherry

Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

This post was edited by sherryocala on Mon, Jan 28, 13 at 14:41

    Bookmark   January 28, 2013 at 10:37AM
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ingrid_vc(Z10 SoCal)

I can't think of a rose more flat than Austin's Sophy's Rose, which is not only very flat but quite large. I think it's beautiful, and it's interesting to have different shapes of roses. If they were all deep and cupped that would make for a very one-dimensional garden picture.

hoovb, your picture of Prospero is sublime. I had no idea it's that beautiful. The color alone is gorgeous.

Ingrid

    Bookmark   January 28, 2013 at 11:45AM
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jacqueline9CA

Here is a picture of Sombreuil being "fully double and flat".

Jackie

    Bookmark   January 28, 2013 at 1:28PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

I have to say, I just don't see Waanrode as flat.

For what it's worth, Dean S. Reynolds Hole's example of "Flat" form was 'Souv. de la Malmaison' -- since that doesn't seem to fit with the rose shown on HMF, I sure wish I could see that rose fully open.

Jeri

    Bookmark   January 28, 2013 at 7:20PM
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Campanula UK Z8

the flattest, most petaliferous rose I grow is Jacques Cartier aka Marquise Boccella. Nothing beats a plain old single (and therefore somewhat flat) flower shape, for me.

    Bookmark   January 29, 2013 at 1:56PM
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karl_bapst_rosenut(5a, NW Indiana)

I would think, flat refers to it not being a high centered bloom typical of most hybrid teas. Unlike those pictured in posts above, the bloom would be well defined but not high centered with the petals opening more horizontal.

    Bookmark   January 29, 2013 at 2:23PM
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DisplacedClevelander(6a)

Wow.. Thanks everyone. Appreciate the photos and links explaining all of this.

This forum is really fantastic. Not only do people know so so much about roses but everyone is very helpful and I don't feel like a dweeb for asking goofy questions. Cheers to you!

    Bookmark   February 2, 2013 at 3:41PM
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bluegirl_gw

Think of a Brussels sprout or a small cabbage with the top cut cleanly off with a knife. You have a hemisphere of packed leaves (or petals in the case of a rose bloom) that all top out along a 'flat' line.

Compare that to many hybrid teas, whose blooms, viewed from the side, will have the center petals higher.

The petal edges of flat blooms viewed from the side are straight across. "High-centered" blooms peak in the middle. Hope that helps.

    Bookmark   February 2, 2013 at 6:14PM
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