I need to ID this weed

MrT1992August 15, 2013

This weed is in my wildlife food plots.
I've contacted several experts on weed identification and nobody can identify it.
I may have to wait until it flowers for positive identification, but I'd like to know asap.
Thanks for the help!

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jaynine

Plantago?

This post was edited by jaynine on Thu, Aug 15, 13 at 9:42

    Bookmark   August 15, 2013 at 8:31AM
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lycopus(z5 NY)

Looks a bit like skunk cabbage to me. Do the leaves have a particular odor if you break off a small piece?

    Bookmark   August 15, 2013 at 10:28AM
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MrT1992

Not plantain and definately not skunk cabbage

    Bookmark   August 15, 2013 at 11:24AM
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esh_ga

Do you have lots of it? If so, dig one up and photograph the root structure. Sometimes that can help with id.

    Bookmark   August 15, 2013 at 11:49AM
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MrT1992

Here are some more pics comparing the unknown plant to plantain. I had lots of "experts" tell me it's broadleaf plantain. It isn't the broadleaf plantain that I've seen all of my life.
You can see how much larger than plantain the unknown plant is. The vein structure is different, too.

    Bookmark   August 16, 2013 at 7:20AM
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MrT1992

The stems are different than plantain also. Plantain stems are green and these are dark purple to almost black.

    Bookmark   August 16, 2013 at 7:23AM
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MrT1992

Here is a photo of the roots as was suggested earlier. They too are different than the plantain on the left.
I'm pretty sure I've determined that it isn't plantain!

    Bookmark   August 16, 2013 at 7:26AM
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sf_rhino

My best guess is going to be Plantago rugelii (blackseed plantain). We don't have them out here but they are really common out east and are often/easily confused with Plantago major.

Both grow in similar areas, but the blackseed is bigger with the purple petioles and tends to prefer wetter environments (under trees, etc) as opposed to the broadleaf which can grow in drier environments (exposed lawns).

It is hard to see if it is growing in a nice rosette from the photos. If you pull the leaf apart, plantains often will have little threads left where the major veins were. Also the roots can feel fibery. Flowers stalks will be the most informative but most plantains make a nice salad.

    Bookmark   August 16, 2013 at 3:05PM
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Carrie B(6B/7A)

I've seen the same weed - or something very similar. And I see that you're in PA... as am I. I left one last year to see what it would do, and it got small, nondescript, while aster-like flowers, held on stems well above the foliage. I wish I'd taken pictures of it for ID. I do not believe it to be a plantago.

    Bookmark   August 16, 2013 at 5:20PM
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