the best big violet ramblers

bart_2010(8/9 Italy)April 29, 2014

I am thinking about my rose order for fall 2014,and I'd like to group some roses together on a tall structure. The colour scheme would be very cool, ranging from deep violet through light, cool pink,and for the most part small sized blooms. I'll need at least two roses that get very tall.
For the violet I was wondering if I could use one of the violet ramblers, but I don't know much about them and can't decide which! I already have Violette, Rose-Marie Viaud,Bleu Magenta, but they are very young and have never yet bloomed. I just got Veilchenblau this year,so I can't judge anything yet. There are others, all of which tempt me: Forstmeister's Heim ,Amethyste, Donau,Ixl...how to decide? I guess I'm looking for one that comes into bloom during the main rose season (i.e., not as late as, say, Super Dorothy) and whose bloom period lasts the longest even considering my hot climate. Can anyone help? are there others I haven't considered? Thanks in advance, bart

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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

I must have them all. Forstmeister's and Amethyste have begun to bloom. Donau and IXL will bloom later, maybe when Veilch blooms. Have you heard of Perennial Blue? My plants are young so I don't have personal experience, but my understanding is that they rebloom like Super Dorothy. Of this group Donau has been the largest grower so far. There's a beautiful rambler called Mannington Mauve(Rogue Valley has it).Mine has never grown as large as I would wish but I may have it in too shadey a location.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 9:16AM
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roseseek

I grew Perennial Blue and gave it away in favor of Purple Skyliner which flowered better and REPEATS here. Perennial Blue, I believe, requires more winter chill with less heat then I can provide it. Purple Skyliner performs better here with the intense sun, intense heat and lack of chill. It roots VERY easily (hint, hint) and grows perfectly own root. Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: Purple Skyliner

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 5:57PM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Kim

Is it as blue as the photos here in SoCal as on HMF?

Very nice looking plant too

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 9:14PM
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roseseek

SOMETIMES....violet colors are dependent upon light intensity, heat, cold, nutrients, etc. They are traditionally much more susceptible to chlorosis due to alkalinity. When it's really hot and brilliant, the colors are redder. Cooler, damper, more "Pacific North West" type conditions make it, and all the others, far more blue-violet. Baby Faurax, Violet Hood, Jet Flame, Rosy Purple, Sibelieus, Verdi, International Herald Tribune, Perennial Blue, all four of the large multiflora violet ramblers and a host of others respond similarly. It's just in the genes. Kim

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 10:21PM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Kim

Is it more vigorous than IHT? I know I have mine in a bad spot (Jacaranda tree) and mom gave it a good stomping but other roses seem to do much better there.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 11:02PM
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roseseek

Purple Skyliner is a repeat flowering, multiflora rambler which appears as if it COULD grow fifteen to twenty feet if it had sufficient resources. IHT probably should stay about three by three feet. At least that's what the original budded plant I imported from Harkness thirty years ago did in Newhall. Kim

    Bookmark   April 29, 2014 at 11:28PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

Kim, the 'Purple Skyliner' I got from you has been growing very well. And like some of the other multiflora-derived roses in my garden, it showed some chlorosis as it started leafing out this Spring. In addition to the organic fertilizer I put down for all my roses this year, I followed up on them with some Epsom salts and Ironite. After a few heavy rains washed that stuff down, 'Purple Skyliner', "Bleu Magenta" and 'Bubble Bath' greened right up.

:-)

~Christopher

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 12:36AM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

Ooh, thank you for your responses, forum maties! I'm glad to see that there are others out there who just can't resist violet roses; I guess I hope some day to have all of them in my garden! I have both perennial Blue and Purple Skyliner (three of those; I'll have to root a few more since Kim says it's so easy to do...) I'd love it if I could get one to grow to 15-20 feet!!! but let's face reality: my soil is not very good and our water resources are not great here in Tuscany. So I think I might do better with one of the older ramblers.
Stupidly, I didn't label Violette/Rose-Marie Viaud/Bleu Magenta, so since none have bloomed yet,I can't tell which is which! one does have more thorns than the other two,and I seem to remember reading somewhere that RM Viaud is thornless? Another comment I'd like to make: on HMF,under "member Ratings" RMViaud is listed as having "excellent" bloom frequency,in sharp contrast with the description of a once-flowering rambler. I notice that on the precious Vintage Gardens web site,all three of these are classified as giving "some" re-bloom. And another comment: my new Veilchenblau is covered with buds already; Mendocino rose,when does yours usually bloom? mid-rose season, or later?. And btw, I am lucky enough to have two Mannington Mauve Ramblers,one new this year; that IS a beauty. Of all your violets, do you have a favourite? if so, why? How about you, Kim? Do you have IxL? I love the idea of an enormous purple rambler, and could hopefully get one from Loubert...regards, bart

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 6:40AM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

I guess I would say Rose Marie V blooms mid-season. Of those three it's the only one that I have seen any significant rebloom on and that isn't a lot. I see now that you meant Veilchenblau. Mine is full of buds too. It's generally blooming at full bloom time. That's mid to late May, not as late as Wichuranas. It's always hard for me to name a favorite. I guess I might say Violette, but when one of the others is in full bloom I could change my mind.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 9:03AM
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melissa_thefarm(NItaly)

RMV is a very appealing rose, in spite of its lack of scent. I lost one last year that was planted in a very bad spot, but still have two in pots. I think it may hard to place in my garden; when the cuttings were rooting in the propagation bed they were spectacularly chlorotic: the only plants in the bed that suffered that way. I have hopes for a just-prepared bed made up of quantities of wood debris mixed with a moderate amount of clay, in a rather cool moist spot. I'm hoping it will have good drainage but also moisture there. I put it next to 'Goldfinch', hoping that they'd bloom at the same time, being both Multiflora ramblers, and that the colors would agree. Obviously there's a lot of speculation in all this. I'll be interested to see what you come up with: good luck!
Melissa

This post was edited by melissa_thefarm on Wed, Apr 30, 14 at 11:10

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 11:06AM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

Take a look at Veilchenblau.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 12:18PM
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Tessiess, SoCal Inland, 9b, 1272' elev

What about Russelliana? I had it near my current location in a previous garden, and it was gorgeous.

Melissa

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 1:21PM
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roseseek

Hi Bart, yes ma'am, I do grow IXL. Mine is a virus indexed plant I obtained to use for standard trunks. In the old Newhall garden, I sheared it as a large shrub where it paved itself with the reddish-mauve flowers in spring. I love the rose, particularly when one of the stocks has enough shade to remain "purple" instead of red-violet. There's nothing wrong with red-violet, but not when you WANT "blue". Favorites? I still have the Baby Faurax standard I budded to a Cardinal Hume whip back in the mid nineties. I don't know if I would still grow BF if it wasn't this standard. Hume prevents it from becoming white and lavender (leaves and flowers) from chlorosis. Lauren is probably my favorite of the "violet" roses (of course!). No disease issues, no real chlorosis issues, incredibly vigorous and in flower all the time. What's not to like? As with all the others, the only real 'BLUE' tones are during PNW type conditions which seldom occur here. I haven't found any violet rose which produces those even when the Bellows of Hades hit, as they are now starting. It's only a quarter to eleven in the morning and it's warming quickly with fairly constant winds. Fortunately the active fires are east and north of here and they're keeping all that smoke in their part of the world. Kim

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 1:46PM
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lynnette

Violette does well for me and it grows like a multiflora shrub with many basal canes which bend over at the top.

    Bookmark   April 30, 2014 at 10:18PM
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melissa_thefarm(NItaly)

'Russelliana' grows well in my garden, not coddled in the least. In its cultural requirements it resembles the once-blooming old roses.
Melissa

    Bookmark   May 1, 2014 at 1:29AM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

I forgot to mention Russeliana. If you want something big Bart, there you go. We actually had this funny incident when it fell all over the garden and Michael pulled it up with the truck.
Melissa, RMV would be so pretty blooming with Goldfinch. I think they do bloom at the same time.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2014 at 8:38AM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

Yes,I definitely want to get Russeliana; it's been on my wish list for quite a while now! When in the rose season does it bloom?
Sadly, it seems that Lauren isn't available here in Europe...sigh! Too bad I don't have any buisness sense at all; if I did I'd try to bring some of these American roses over here.
I may well go ahead and get IxL; in my garden, big tends to be good,and from what I read, that rose gets big fast! bart

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 5:52AM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

My Russeliana has started blooming right now.
If you are in Europe you might be able to find a rambler called Vlatva. It is healthy with gorgeous very dark purple blooms.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 8:39AM
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melissa_thefarm(NItaly)

My 'Russelliana' is in bloom, too, but this is a bizarre year for weather so I don't know if it would usually flower at this time. My impression is it usually comes in with the once-blooming old roses, and would be later.
Pam, thanks for the comments on RMV and 'Goldfinch': they're encouraging.
Melissa

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 11:18AM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

Oooh, Vlatva looks gorgeous, and I see that Bierkreek offers it,too;I've ordered from them in the past. Also FilRoses may be an option; I've only ordered from companies that have several roses that I want,to save on shipping,and I seem to remember that their catalogue has a few others that interest me....bart

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 6:05AM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

That's great Bart. I wish I could order their roses so easily.

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 9:16AM
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