Trollius questions

pam_whitbyon(6 Niagara)June 18, 2013

This is the only orange flower I have, and I just LOVE IT. So bright and cheery. This trollius is about 4 years old now, and never gets bushier but flowers sparsely on stalks that are about 3 feet high. I would love the plant to get bigger but it's never changed. This year for the first time, another trollius has sprung up, about 4 feet away from this one, through cracks in the pavement! Has that happened from seedlings? Can I "pull" it out and plant it next to the other one to make a bushier plant? It's coming up through interlocking pavement though, so that might be tricky. This seedling, if that's what it is, is almost as bushy as the original 4 year old plant.

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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

hey... at 3 to 4 years... it is, what it is... and hoping for more.. isnt going to get you more.. lol ..

if the babe is in a crack... its obviously not a runner ...

but.. as with any seedlings... who knows if it will be exactly like momma ...

if you can get it out.. go for it.. but dont be surprised if its a bit different in some way ...

unless someone comes along..and can affirmatively state.. it come 'true from seed'.... that is actually what you are wondering ....

good luck

ken

    Bookmark   June 18, 2013 at 9:08AM
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wieslaw59

Trollius chinensis Golden Queen is a seed strain. Like all trollius, it loves moisture, moisture,moisture and moisture. In dry and warm situation it will get smaller and smaller, eventually disappearing

    Bookmark   June 18, 2013 at 9:31AM
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christinmk z5b eastern WA

Trollius chinensis isn't a terribly bushy plant in general I find. It is more upright by nature. I've had mine in dry-ish conditions before and it seems to do okay, surprisingly enough.

I wouldn't go to all the trouble of digging up the seeding. If you let your plant go to seed this year and collect/sow more you will have a ton more plants. The winter sowing method is very easy, although I find my Golden Queen reseeds well on its own...
CMK

    Bookmark   June 18, 2013 at 11:17AM
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Karchita(WA Z8)

Yes, I agree, it's probably a seedling. I've grown this plant for over 25 years, and it's one of my favorites. It is the only orange flower in my garden, too. I can't understand why people always say it needs water because I have never, in 25 years, given mine any extra. They may tolerate a lot of moisture, but I certainly have never found that they require it. They do extremely well with regular water, rich soil, cool climates (in my experience), and some fertilizer every spring to keep it vigorous. They will never become huge bushes, but are more the sort to weave through other plants or groupings of 3-5 plants can give a bushy effect.

You can divide them, but they take a while to recover from it or from transplanting.

    Bookmark   June 23, 2013 at 10:57PM
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miclino(5)

Transplanted my trollius in May and it flowered June without missing a beat! Great plant. Would be great if it got bigger but no such luck

    Bookmark   June 24, 2013 at 12:08AM
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wieslaw59

Quote:
"I can't understand why people always say it needs water because I have never, in 25 years, given mine any extra."

They say it needs water because it does. Perhaps you live in a place where there is enough water in the soil/from the sky? Maybe you should try to give it extra water ? Perhaps you would be surprised? I have met people like that before, who claimed they grew theirs in dry conditions. What I saw was a pitiful one foot tall three stems with flowers you needed a magnifying glass to see. When they saw mine 80X80 cm clumps with flowers like Granny Smith apples, they fainted. They were not aware that they were supposed to look like that.

Majority of European and Siberian species are growing naturally ONLY in wet meadows. While T.chinensis are perhaps slightly more tolerant of drier conditions, they are definitely not afraid of water. They are not wimpy things weaving through other plants. They get just as bushy as other trollius.

This post was edited by wieslaw59 on Mon, Jun 24, 13 at 11:26

    Bookmark   June 24, 2013 at 10:52AM
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donna_in_sask

I have two plants, one located near a downspout and another by a low lying spot - so both get lots of water and they like it that way.

    Bookmark   June 24, 2013 at 12:39PM
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Karchita(WA Z8)

"They say it needs water because it does."

As I said, this is not true in my 25+ years of experience with this plant. Maybe you didn't know that the Seattle area gets almost no rain from mid July to late September. Yes, I have tried giving it tons of extra water, but that was a waste of water as it hasn't made any difference. I have also tried not giving them any water and just letting them die out when they finish blooming and our dry season arrives here, but they did decline when I did that. They need regular water, as I said, but not any more than the rest of my perennial beds.

Trollius grow slowly and reach a maximum size of about 2-3 feet wide and three feet tall with plenty of large flowers. It is when they are young that they are weavers and look better in clumps, to my eye. Mature clumps can be impressive, large, stand alone plants, that is true, but it can take many years for them to get that large. I would not call my plants wimpy in the least; they are vigorous, well grown plants, but trollius will never be a monster that spreads and spreads and needs dividing every few years. It tolerates wet conditions, as it does dry ones. I understand that it grows in wet conditions in its native habitat. However, in the garden, IME, it requires rich soil and at least some annual fertilizer. Maybe in a hot climate it needs extra water, but it is both unfair and inaccurate to label this lovely plant as one that NEEDS lots of water.

    Bookmark   June 25, 2013 at 4:13AM
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miclino(5)

wieslaw, would like to see a pic of your trollius clump. I might be tempted to pamper mine if it can get that big.

    Bookmark   June 26, 2013 at 9:44PM
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docmom_gw Zone 5 MI(5)

Karchita,
Thank you for sharing your valuable experience. It helps those of us who have not grown this plant to know that it can tolerate a variety of conditions.

Martha

    Bookmark   June 28, 2013 at 7:36AM
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pam_whitbyon(6 Niagara)

Mine is growing in a contained area where there's a downspout so it gets a fair amount of water, really. Now, the seedling is a different story, growing up between two paving stones, it gets hardly any water. Both plants look around the same, so it does appear to be quite tolerant of both those conditions!

Thanks everyone for the input :)

    Bookmark   June 28, 2013 at 11:12AM
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gardenweed_z6a

Jury is still sort of out on the trollius I grew from seed via the winter sowing method a few years ago. They came up in Y2 and bloomed but of those I planted out back then only one appears to have returned this year and it didn't bloom. I enjoyed the first year's cheerful early-season blooms but if it's as unreliable as gaura, won't trouble myself to keep trying to grow it in future years. Anything I grow & plant must thrive on neglect or be forgotten, whilst repeat performers are very much appreciated.

According to one of my perennials books, it prefers rich, moist or even boggy soil in full sun. That might explain its indifference to my slightly alkaline sandy loam that's required to depend on Mother Nature for irrigation.

As an added note, I first saw it growing in my ND neighbor's garden several years ago. His plants have long since been history.

    Bookmark   June 28, 2013 at 10:00PM
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wieslaw59

OK. It was spelled out in one of the posts, that I'm too stupid to find out whether my plants lack water or not. Somebody from the staff has removed MY! posts in such a way , that it still looks like it, not leaving a note how I can complain about it and about whom. It's a strange sense of justice you have over there. So I have to repeat : I can find out whether my plants lack water or not (In case somebody have doubts)

Miclino,
I do not have such big clumps as in my old clay garden, so you'll have to do with a smaller one(I'm in a process of rebuilding my collection)

    Bookmark   July 3, 2013 at 1:32PM
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north53 Z1b MB(zone 1b Canada)

So now that I'm convinced that I should move my trollius to a moister location, when should I do it? What kind of root does it have? It is just coming into bud now, so I won't even think about touching it. Just wondering if I have to wait until next spring.
Thanks.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2013 at 7:58PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

wieslaw59, what happened to 'let's just drop it'?

If you still need to defend your position about whether trollius need moisture or not, please do so without any further personal comments.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2013 at 8:41PM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

For those of you who are growing it, do you grow it in full sun, part sun or shade? I have spots in all three of those light sitiations. The shade is pretty shady - a Japanese red maple is nearby.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2013 at 11:42PM
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