Please ID tree with white double flower in spring

jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)March 28, 2013

Pictures taken in South Korea zone 8-9?

Disclaimer, there is no intention from me to plant, sell or bring it into the United States.

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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

Spring flowering tree No. 2. Please ID. Thank you for your help.

This is NOT the same as the first one.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 7:42PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

First one it a rose (Rosa), second one is a crabapple (Malus).

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 10:03PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

I have a hard time believing the first a rose. Do you have the tree? It is a tree - big trunk and a lot of leaves.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 10:31AM
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Sara Malone Zone 9b

Jujujojo have you ever seen a mature Rosa banksiae? They are enormous and the 'trunks' can be enormous, too. Your photo looks like a Rosa banksiae var. banksiae which is native to China. (Just to complicate things, both roses and crabapples are members of the same family, Rosaceae.)

Sara

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 10:51AM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

formandfoliage 9b (Sunset zone 15)

Thank you very much for your ID. I thought R banksiae has narrow leaves, and R. banksia has flowers smaller in diameter than the width of leaf. Maybe it is a cultivar? I agree that the "trunk" could be a result of training.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 12:40PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

formandfoliage 9b (Sunset zone 15)
Thank you very much for your ID. I thought R banksiae has narrow leaves, and R. banksia has flowers smaller in diameter than the width of leaf. Maybe it is a cultivar? I agree that the "trunk" could be a result of training.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 12:42PM
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Sara Malone Zone 9b

Mine wasn't a definitive id, but it is almost certainly a rose and it could be R b. In any case, that's where to start looking. Good luck!

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 1:04PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

Rosa x fortuniana is similar.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 7:45PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

bboy, when you look at Rosa x fortuniana, compare the size of the flower and the size of the leaf.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 9:16PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

i bet you will get a lot closer to ID .. if you had a focused picture of the flowers.. rather than blurred white blobs ...

i am simply amazed you guys can even get in the ballpark based on these pix ..

as to the second.. just about any white.. blushed pink flower... takes my mind to apple/crab .... but i find it weird.. to think the third pic.. is the same plant as the first two ... it almost looks like a large flowering almond.. which i am sure its NOT ....

just some observations.. i wish you luck

ken

    Bookmark   April 1, 2013 at 8:03AM
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Sara Malone Zone 9b

Ken is absolutely right - when the ids get tricky, it's usually best to focus on the flower structure. Ken - if you had ever grown a Rosa banksiae you too would have recognized the similarity immediately. There is a wild species that is native to China growing in a nearby botanical garden and it is as big as a house. I think that they cut it back every year with chain saws!

Sara

    Bookmark   April 1, 2013 at 11:12AM
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eahamel(9a)

bboy, that isn't fortuniana. I have one and it doesn't look like that. It has individual blooms along long, arching canes, and they open from the center of the plant out to the ends of the canes, and they arch downward.

    Bookmark   April 4, 2013 at 10:14AM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

Solution found!

The South Korean gardener said that this is a garden cultivar of Symplocos caudata.

I cannot believe how strongly fragrant this plant is. The blooming season is not extensively long; but this fragrance is POWERFUL!

The double flower looks great! This is a species closely related to the American common sweetleaf.

    Bookmark   April 5, 2013 at 3:03PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

It is of the order Ericales; in the family of Symplocaceae; and of genus Symplocos.

Ha, it is NOT a rose!

    Bookmark   April 5, 2013 at 3:08PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

formandfoliage 9b (Sunset zone 15),
Thank you for your help.

    Bookmark   April 8, 2013 at 5:56PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

No plant shown here is Symplocos caudata.

    Bookmark   April 9, 2013 at 12:58AM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

bboy, supply your evidence.

    Bookmark   April 9, 2013 at 11:59AM
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Sara Malone Zone 9b

Symplocos caudata does not appear to have a compound leaf...your first set of photos is of a plant with a compound leaf - looks tripartite...

    Bookmark   April 9, 2013 at 5:21PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

formandfoliage 9b (Sunset zone 15)

In the middle a little toward the right of picture 1, there is a branch with 5 reddish leaves. So, it is likely not tripartite. They could be just branches. Especially, they grow new leaves during the season.

    Bookmark   April 9, 2013 at 6:06PM
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Sara Malone Zone 9b

Ok I see that now...but these are compound leaves. Look at all of the photos...now that I look more closely they appear to have five parts...just like a rose...
I can't say any more than I have. If you don't agree, that's fine...

    Bookmark   April 9, 2013 at 6:26PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

formandfoliage 9b (Sunset zone 15)
In picture 2, on the lower right edge of the picture, you can see a small item of bright orange and lemon color. To its left, there is a long branch, see how many leaves does it have. Will rose ever grow this way?

    Bookmark   April 9, 2013 at 7:03PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA
This is a cultivar of double flowers, not a species.

    Bookmark   April 9, 2013 at 7:05PM
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Sara Malone Zone 9b

jujujojo - I'm signing off now...I can't say any more than I have because I can't see well enough to be more definitive.
Over and out -
Sara

    Bookmark   April 9, 2013 at 7:52PM
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