help!! basal growth or sucker?

nynewbie(6)May 20, 2010


My iceberg rose has this insane cane that I can't tell if it's a basal growth or a sucker! It makes the rest of the rose bush look so wimpy... This growth is thorny and the roses look/smell the same as the remainder of the bush.

I read online that own-root roses don't grow suckers... I ordered my iceberg from Antique Emporium Roses where they claim all roses are own-root. Is this true? If so, why is the insane cane all thorny, bigger than the rest of bush?

Here are some pics... please help?



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petaloid(SoCal 10a/24)

I say it's a basal break. Maybe it's just extra vigorous because it's spring, and you have given the bush plenty of tender loving care.

    Bookmark   May 20, 2010 at 9:42PM
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How long ago did you plant your rose?

    Bookmark   May 20, 2010 at 9:49PM
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york_rose: i've had it for 2 years now... i keep it in a container (apt living).

petaloid: hehe, not much tlc, must be beginner's luck! :)

    Bookmark   May 20, 2010 at 10:13PM
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karl_bapst_rosenut(5a, NW Indiana)

Own roots will sucker but the sucker will be the same as the parent rose. If your Iceberg is an own root, the sucker will be Iceberg. If you want the bush to grow up and not out, cut the errant cane off just above the new cane growing out of it. That'll put the energy into the new cane and possible back to the remainder of the bush.

    Bookmark   May 20, 2010 at 11:26PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

A sucker is an unwanted shoot. This is a desireable shoot.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2010 at 11:04AM
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roseman(Z 8A GA)

Well, if the growth is coming out above the graft or bud union, you have basal breaks. Growth that comes from below the graft are suckers. On budded or grafted roses, the suckers may be from the the root stock, ie., Dr. Huey, and will produce flowers not true to the grafted top blooms. With your fingers, gently follow the growth down until you find where it is coming from. If below the graft, cut or rub it off as close to the cane as possible.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2010 at 1:48PM
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holleygarden Zone 8, East Texas

I have a rose that did the same thing. Didn't know if it was own-root or not, but since the flowers are the same as the mother plant, it is not Dr. Huey, and therefore, just a different limb, and desireable. I think yours is the same, since the flowers are the same as your rose, and not of a different 'rootstock' variety.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2010 at 4:34PM
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I haven't done any container growing of roses, but I know from personal experience that a rose recently planted in the ground (if it's not at full strength) may put out much smaller, thinner canes its first or second year than it will when it's mature. I could be wrong, but I suspect your rose has just produced its first mature-size cane, and that as long as it remains healthy and reasonably vigorous you should expect more of these from here on out. I think what you experienced previously was just the preliminaries, as it were.

(When I saw the older stems in your photo that's immediately what I thought of. Your reply fit perfectly with my suspicions.)

    Bookmark   May 21, 2010 at 8:27PM
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I am no expert, but even if that cane were on a grafted specimen, its not coming from the roots, its coming from an existing, old wood cane. That means its not a "sucker" in the way you thought it might be.

    Bookmark   May 22, 2010 at 8:19AM
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thank you so much everyone for your replies. So, i guess i'll leave it alone for now. It is quite vigorous, it puts out a lot more roses than the rest of the bush, and it's grown taller too.

It's the first time I've owned roses so i'm still learning about them; I love it and wish i had more space so i could get more :)

again, thank you and have a great weekend!!~

    Bookmark   May 22, 2010 at 9:18AM
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