bread in compost

jambJuly 4, 2011

New to composting and confused now.

What is wrong with throwing bread into the compost?

I just cleaned out my freezer and was planning on throwing a stale loaf of rye bread in, is that a no no, should I let it mold first.

I have a "earth machine" mostly for kitchen waste, dead heading, etc. although this fall I will have a lot of leaves.

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lisanti07028(z6NJ)

There is an old post about 5 down from yours that covers this very question. Take a look.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2011 at 4:28PM
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piranhafem

One of our forum members is downright phobic about soggy cereal/bread products, but don't listen to her! Bread in the composter is fine. Just be prepared to have a grossed out forum member named AnnPat threaten you with planarians.

--Maureen

    Bookmark   July 4, 2011 at 5:33PM
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jamb

thanks for the response I read AnnPat's forum about planarians after looking up the word,(new to me) I dug out some old bread I threw in yesterday, is AnnPat serious, or is this a joke.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2011 at 6:31PM
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bpgreen(5UT)

"is AnnPat serious, or is this a joke."

Yes.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2011 at 11:29PM
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Kimmsr(4a/5b-MI)

annpat is serious about not adding bread to compost, although many of us do not believe there is a problem with doing that. There are people here that have no problem with adding fats to compost while many of us do have a problme with doing that, in large quantities.
The best thing to do is trial for your self and see if adding bread creates problems or not. I doubt that any problems will surface.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2011 at 6:36AM
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annpatt

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that a person can compost bread products.
But what kind of a person would?!

    Bookmark   July 5, 2011 at 7:07PM
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joepyeweed(5b IL)

"But what kind of person would?

This kind person does.

    Bookmark   July 7, 2011 at 9:38AM
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david52_gw

Wilber? Here Wilber, lets go for a walk.

    Bookmark   July 8, 2011 at 10:06AM
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blazeaglory(10 SZ22/24 OC Ca)

If it attracts planarians and planarians eat earth worms then I would think bread is a no no.

I have enough stuff to throw in my pile. I think I'll skip the bread. Planarians creep me out and so does soggy bread.

Fruit, veggies, cut grass, shredded paper, whatever else I fancy and dead brown things (excluding bread)are all that I think Ill compost. I wish I never googled planarian

    Bookmark   April 9, 2012 at 11:16PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

I would rather it go into my compost bin and decompose quickly than sit in the piles at the county dump for who knows how many years.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 1:34PM
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blazeaglory(10 SZ22/24 OC Ca)

Considering how much we compost and Im sure we all cut down on othe areas of our footprint as well. Im not going to worry about a few pieces of bread sitting in the local county dump.

I stopped driving and I ride my bike and take the bus everywhere. I compost almost everything. I recycle almost everything I use. If a few pieces of bread slip through my mass effort to recycle, Im not worried. And that is not the same thing as what other people say. If someone else who does not do as much as I and we do were to say this I would have a problem. Im really not worried about it.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 1:38PM
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toxcrusadr

Planarians are not exclusively or especially attracted to bread. If they were, how did they survive for millions of years before bakeries were invented?

Put the bread in the compost. Don't mention it to annpat. All will be well.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 2:00PM
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blazeaglory(10 SZ22/24 OC Ca)

I survived for years without vietnamese food now I cant seem to live without it;)

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 2:06PM
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jrmckins

pretty much anything can be added in moderation. Do you want to add 2 tons of bread? No. But some old bagels? Stale bread? A slice or two of pizza? Sure, toss it in.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2012 at 10:48PM
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elisa_z5

Oh man -- please search annpat planarians and read the threads.
You'll be glad you did :)

    Bookmark   April 11, 2012 at 12:30AM
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toxcrusadr

blazeaglory: we'll remember that when it comes time to compost you.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2012 at 10:20AM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL

There is nothing in bread that wouldn't otherwise be composted. Once it gets wet, it will melt into nothing anyway. If it decomposes, put it in. I don't understand any of this stuff about trying to avoid ants, roaches, or these mysterious planarians. (It's like being dismayed if you find fish in your pond.) They are part of the decomposition process and the natural order of things. That's why it is done outside, where nature can run its' course. It's a feast for the birds (& lizards if they are in your area) and I'm glad to supply them with the opportunity to find these tasty treats - and spend more time in my yard grooming my plants.

Some of comments I read on here sound like chefs trying to perfect a recipe... a measured dash of this, a precise dash of that, add 2 Tbs water, simmer on low, stirring often... It's a pile or bin of rotting organic matter, not a tureen of jambalaya. Let it rot and quit worrying about minutiae like a slice of bread. Turn it every day or ignore it for 6 months, u get the same thing.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2012 at 10:31AM
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tropical_thought(San Francisco)

I have been composting for 20 years, put bread in all the time, and never have any flat worms. The whole idea is absurd. It sounds like a weird paranoia. If things are so upsetting why even compost at all? Just put in the city compost bin.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2012 at 11:57AM
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david52_gw

This clarion bugle call has yet to awaken the old war horse (I hope everything is ok up in Maine.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2012 at 12:42PM
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mean_74(4A)

My pile is getting so hot, I was thinking of baking bread in the center...

    Bookmark   April 11, 2012 at 1:06PM
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toxcrusadr

The bread/planaria thing is just a long standing inside joke around here. We just try to reassure newcomers asking about baked goods that it's OK, but 'the joke' almost always comes up one way or another!

A tureen of jambalaya sounds fabulous right now. If we could just invent a composting technique that would do that!

Great idea on the bread baking. I've had piles up to 180, it's hot enough to cook something I bet. But how would you keep the stink out?

    Bookmark   April 11, 2012 at 1:49PM
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tropical_thought(San Francisco)

I just don't have a sense of humor about compost. I take it seriously. It's like saying Chupacabra and Bigfoot will be attracted if you compost.

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toxcrusadr

Them's fightin' words. Everybody knows el Chupacabra is attracted to compost.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2012 at 6:05PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL

Trop, please search & I think u will find your sense of humor about compost. Really. I'll help u get started. This forum that discusses dirt & rotting putrescence is one of the busiest on GW. Surely u find that funny! Smiles!

Chupacabra is welcome to my pile, as long as he/she doesn't eat too much. He'll have to get approval from the dog first, though...

    Bookmark   April 12, 2012 at 11:28AM
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berryman135678

Which reminds me, I need to go to the local food pantry to pick up my weekly load of moldy bread for my compost.

There are two kinds of people in this world, those who compost bread and those who don't...or is it listen to Neil Diamond???

    Bookmark   April 12, 2012 at 12:47PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL

Good times never seemed so good!

    Bookmark   April 12, 2012 at 2:30PM
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joule(z7SC)

What did the Planaria say to the slice of bread?

Will you please leaf me alone.

    Bookmark   April 12, 2012 at 3:44PM
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tsugajunkie z5 SE WI

What did annpat say to the bread in the compost?

"Loaf's a breach!"

tj

    Bookmark   April 12, 2012 at 4:26PM
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elisa_z5

Where's Annpat when we need her?

Those threads kept me up way past my bedtime laughing. I was still afraid to look at the photos, though.

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 1:48AM
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joule(z7SC)

What did the Planaria say to the bread in the compost?

White,Wheat or Rye?

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 8:48AM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL

The planarian prayer... Give us this day our daily bread...

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 9:53AM
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toxcrusadr

What kind of music does bread listen to while biodegrading in the compost?

Moldy oldies and mushy love songs.

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 1:21PM
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blazeaglory(10 SZ22/24 OC Ca)

So all the annpat threads I read about planarians are wrong? I had nightmares for a few days afterwards.

Yesterday I put some moldy bread in my pile for the very first time as a tribute to this thread :)

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 3:20PM
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toxcrusadr

What did you read about planarians?

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 3:46PM
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blazeaglory(10 SZ22/24 OC Ca)

Please Im trying to forget it. Plus the looks of them creep me out.

Im the kind of guy that will go into a den of knife wielding maniacs with nothing but my bare fists but if you confront me with a caterpillar or a "planarian" type of animal, I run screaming while flailing my arms hysterically saying "GET IT OFF OF ME GET IT OFF OF ME!"

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 4:47PM
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annpatt

I'm thinking that composting breadstuffs is not for you, blaze. I mean, some people say that it's not true---the relationship between composting wheat sog and planaria infestations in the pile---but then there's them who say that you Absolutely cannot do the one without attracting the other.

Me? I'm just not a big risk taker. I may be alone in this, but I find planaria really disgusting. For me, it's not worth it.

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 7:58PM
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blazeaglory(10 SZ22/24 OC Ca)

YES. If there is even a MAYBE that planarians will be attracted I will not bother. There is much stuff to compost. Besides, we eat ALL the bread in this house. It is my grandmothers weakness. Besides planarians feed off of worms. And I love my red worms like children.

We had a rain today and I went around picking up all the worms that had come up to breath. I got 18 of them. So I put them a few inches away from the pile and watched them. Eventually them crawled their way to my pile and disappeared underneath. They knew it was a planarian free zone;-)

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 10:42PM
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annpatt

Oh. My. Gosh! You are my new favorite Garden Webber!! By a long shot. Absolutely bar none. (Not counting Flora.)

There are some really dumb composters here (BerryMan comes immediately to mind)---just between you and me---who think that planaria are nothing to snort at. NOTHING TO SNORT AT!!!

Are you kidding me!?
If anyone asks you why Maine is Planaria free, do not feel unabashed (or...feel abashed, whichever works in my favor here) to mention my name.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2012 at 12:17AM
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blazeaglory(10 SZ22/24 OC Ca)

Thanks! The feelings are mutual. It feels good to be appreciated! I always liked Maine. Although Ive never been there, I hear they have good lobsters.

And I would hate to lift my pile to put an apple core in the center just to have some slimy looking fish creature hiss at me and spit venom in my eyes. Thank god for pitch forks:=)

    Bookmark   April 14, 2012 at 2:23AM
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emmers_m(9a/Sunset 7 N Cal)

Bask in Annpat's favor, blazeaglory. Bask in it, I say!

I once, all too briefly, enjoyed a similar glow.

But then I posted an experience that was too raw, too personal, too soggy. In my horror, I unwittingly exposed Annpat to secondhand sog, and lost the approbation that had warmed the very cockles of my soul.

Here is a link that might be useful: This is my sad story.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2012 at 9:50AM
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Lloyd

AP is kinda fickle that way. (she also steals socks and then claims people "left them behind").

;-)

Lloyd

P.S. Don't even ask what she does to snowblowers!!

    Bookmark   April 14, 2012 at 9:55AM
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flora_uk(SW UK 8/9)

Oh, Annpat - you've been away so much of late I thought it was all over between us. Hope all is well in Maine.

Have you seen the one about the ground up Planaria? Have a sick bag ready and then go to the paragraph on biochemical memory in flat worms. Maybe they could be trained to hate bread?

Here is a link that might be useful: Planaria training

    Bookmark   April 14, 2012 at 11:46AM
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blazeaglory(10 SZ22/24 OC Ca)

LOL!! BAD! BAD PLANARIANS!

    Bookmark   April 14, 2012 at 5:25PM
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annpatt

"Maybe they could be trained to hate bread?"

Seriously!!! That's brilliant! If the scientists could shock the planaria right as they're holding a damp cheerio out to them, it might just possibly solve one of the most troublesome problems that slovenly composters come up against.

(I am not fickle! I've just never met a fresh breeze that I didn't find myself swayed by.)

    Bookmark   April 14, 2012 at 8:59PM
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david52_gw

Now thats a find, Flora_uk.

Reconstructing the history of worm-running (McConnell ran a journal called the Worm Runner's Digest for a while!) can be a bit tricky.

And, of course, I looked up the "Worm Runner's Digest" which is, unfortunately, now out of print. We missed something.

"The Worm Runner's Digest (W.R.D.) was created in 1959 by biologist James V. McConnell after his experiments with memory transfer in planarian worms generated a torrent of mail enquiries[1]. The W.R.D. published both satirical articles, such as A Stress Analysis of a Strapless Evening Gown, and scientific papers, the most famous of which, Memory transfer through cannibalism in planaria, was a result of McConnell's RNA memory transfer experiments with planarian worms and was later published in the Journal of Neurophysiology.

The title for the W.R.D., McConnell explained, was an extension of the psychological jargon that terms psychologists who work with rats "rat runners" and those who work with insects "bug runners."[2]

Amid complaint that the satirical articles and the scientific publications were not distinguishable, the satirical articles were printed upside down in the back half of the W.R.D. along with a topsy turvy back cover. In 1966, the title was changed to the Journal of Biological Psychology in an effort to make the publication more accessible to the scientific community[2].

Articles from the Worm Runner's Digest have been compiled and printed in a number of anthologies, including Science, Sex, and Sacred Cows and The Worm Re-Turns.

Here is a link that might be useful: what ever would we do without wikipedia

    Bookmark   April 15, 2012 at 10:46AM
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annpatt

Look how much all of us have learned about planaria over the years!

(You're welcome.)

    Bookmark   April 15, 2012 at 11:14PM
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berryman135678

Come over to the Dark side Annpat (rye that is) and you will see the true power of composting bread. I am looking for a new apprentice....

    Bookmark   April 16, 2012 at 1:20PM
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berryman135678

Annpat.....Its pointless to resist!

    Bookmark   April 16, 2012 at 1:30PM
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toxcrusadr

"ANNPAT! I, SOGGY BREAD, AM YOUR FATHER!"

Bwahahahahaa!

    Bookmark   April 16, 2012 at 4:55PM
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david52_gw

The Planarian Whisperer.

/coming soon to a theater near you

    Bookmark   April 17, 2012 at 11:44AM
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blazeaglory(10 SZ22/24 OC Ca)

I EAT my bread 'round these parts!

    Bookmark   April 17, 2012 at 12:56PM
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berryman135678

I have an incredible problem this week...I have too much bread for my bins....

Well do I just leave it to mold in the bags?? No because I will have to breath that in when unwrapping it, when I go to use it.

Maybe throw the excess in the woods for critters??? Don't want them hanging out.

Nope just jam it all in the bins as much as I can, then hose it down, then stuff more in and repeat...problem solved.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2012 at 1:39PM
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toxcrusadr

How about drying it out, grinding it up and applying it as a decorative mulch? It would be fun to watch what happens next time it rains.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2012 at 3:38PM
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Nevermore44 - 6a

how about you do something completely ridiculous like i did years back... i had taking home 20 some bags of hamburger buns from my job where they had order in hundreds more for a photo shoot (where they end up just picking the best buns for the shoot).

Anyway, i was digging in a garden bed.. and decided that worms like bread.. so i was double digging the bed, adding in compost, leaf mold, etc... and i just tossed the buns under as well.. before i added back on the top layer of dirt. I even wetted them down, so they would be mush.... but the good of raccoons sniffed them out and would come by every night and proceed to start digging them up. So every day i would come out to having a ton of wholes dug in the newly planted bed.. dirt everywhere.. plant dug up.

This lasted for a week .... and i learned my lesson. :)

    Bookmark   April 18, 2012 at 5:19PM
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annpatt

I don't think that that raccoon was eating sog. (Raccoons are notoriously fastidious.)

Here is a link that might be useful: a raccoon eating a planarian unearthed in a sloven's compost bin.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2012 at 9:11PM
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rookie09

Thank you annpat. Nice link title.
I was afraid they were wearing you down.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2012 at 9:27PM
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Nevermore44 - 6a

even if i watched them dig up the mush and eat it after the 1st night?

    Bookmark   April 18, 2012 at 9:35PM
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annpatt

Yes, even so.

Here is a link that might be useful:

    Bookmark   April 18, 2012 at 11:03PM
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annpatt

I gotta admit. Your Barf Vader was pretty good.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2012 at 11:35PM
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Nevermore44 - 6a

What if they were also wearing t-shirts that said "I will not eat planarian... Sam I am"?

    Bookmark   April 19, 2012 at 6:56AM
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elisa_z5

Been reading up on planarians.
Interesting Planarian facts:
They've been known to eradicate entire earthworm populations on farms.
They eat each other.
They can't ride the bus.

    Bookmark   April 20, 2012 at 12:31AM
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annpatt

rookie, it gets rough sometimes, but I'm determined to ride it out.

    Bookmark   April 20, 2012 at 12:54AM
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annpatt

And tox, you're pretty funny sometimes, eh?(As Patrick and Llloyd and my dear, missing, Paul might say.)

    Bookmark   April 20, 2012 at 1:08AM
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toxcrusadr

Well thank you, same to you...you should meet my brother, he's even funnier. :-p I don't know if this forum could handle both of us so I'm keeping this one secret.

    Bookmark   April 20, 2012 at 10:23AM
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Lloyd

"eh?"

Wipes coffee from keyboard...

Lloyd

    Bookmark   April 20, 2012 at 1:20PM
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annpatt

I am actually sometimes an 'eh sayer'. I spent my first five years in Newfoundland, and the next thirteen in a neighborhood in Maine that was at least 50% Canadian Air Force. (I'm not polite, though, and I don't say 'oot and aboot' like I like to imagine Patrick does.)

    Bookmark   April 20, 2012 at 8:58PM
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blazeaglory(10 SZ22/24 OC Ca)

All my great relatives are newfies (newfys?) My great great grandfather(the original planarian hunter) on my grandmothers side was born in Newfoundland.

Thats another reason I dont want planarians in my pile! They eat earthworms! My great great grandfather did not die cursing planarians so I could start feeding them bread and earthworms now!

    Bookmark   April 21, 2012 at 12:27AM
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annpatt

That's the Newfie spirit!!

    Bookmark   April 21, 2012 at 9:16AM
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QuinnaBrennan

Any updates on what's dealio with putting bread in. I searched google for bread in compost and I found out there is a war between annpat and the world about this subject. I just wanted to find out if its okay to do and now I am looking at my moldy bread with visions of Anakin Vader's burning body in Star Wars Episode III, Meeko the Raccoon from Pocahontas biting Harrison Ford's broken ankle everytime he tries to get back on set and a soggy Pizzanarian the Hutt grabbing vegetables off of his body to lure and eat millions upon millions of composting worms. I guess I'll just post this and see if anyone has any new info on the subject and check back in a few months

This post was edited by QuinnaBrennan on Mon, Jun 16, 14 at 17:29

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david52_gw

I, for one, am glad to see this subject brought to discussion again, and thanks, QuinnaBrennan for the heartfelt, thoughtful post.

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 11:35AM
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david52_gw

Whats bothering me?

Do planaria ignore gluten-free products?

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 1:36PM
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annpatt

Oh! Quinna! Snort!

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