Your experience with Calamintha var nepeta?

GreenHearted(5a IL)July 11, 2014

I just planted a few of these about a month ago and I love them so far. I did some research before ordering them and it seems some people found them to be aggresive self sowers while others have had no problems whatsoever. I decided to take the chance.

Have you grown this before?

Here's a (rather poor quality) photo of it in my garden:

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lesmc

I have grown it for years with no problem. One of my favorite fillers to use in my rose bouquets. I think you will love it. Lesley

    Bookmark   July 11, 2014 at 3:59PM
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GreenHearted(5a IL)

Thanks for sharing Lesley! I'm glad to hear its not a thug in your garden. It's such a charming plant. I bet it would look wonderful with roses!

    Bookmark   July 11, 2014 at 5:54PM
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gardenweed_z6a

Do you know the cultivar name? Nepeta (a.k.a. catmint) 'Walkers Low' is a sterile cultivar. Mine have been growing in my full sun garden beds for five or more seasons and have never seeded around. They have the added benefit of blooming for the entire growing season.

I did a search for Calamintha var nepeta on the Missouri Botanical Gardens website and it returned no results. Perhaps you plants were mislabeled.

    Bookmark   July 11, 2014 at 6:58PM
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dogg1967

I absolutely love my Walker's Low Catmint. I have two rather large clumps of it in a full sun mulched bed. Blooms all summer long and the pollinators get in line for it :)

I've enjoyed the nepeta clan so much, I've bought a couple other varieties and even purchased a variegated calamintha this spring. It is also doing well.

    Bookmark   July 11, 2014 at 9:08PM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

I think it should be Calamintha nepetoides which I have.

In regards to seeding around, I may have seen some seedlings early this spring, but they were so small I simply hoed them out because I didn't know what they were for sure.

Kevin

    Bookmark   July 11, 2014 at 9:39PM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

That looks like the white one on my monitor - Calamintha nepeta White Cloud sowed some in my garden but it wasn't ever much of a problem. Calamintha nepeta Blue Cloud was more of an issue, had a definitely more 'assertive personality'...

    Bookmark   July 11, 2014 at 10:07PM
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gazania_gw

keven is right, the name of the plant pictured in the greenhearted's post is Calamintha nepetoides. It is not related to the popular Nepetas (Walkers Low and others).

My C. Nepetoides is well behaved. Seedlings are minimal. It is a bee magnet and a very nice filler in the beds and in a bouquet. Great little plant.

    Bookmark   July 12, 2014 at 11:19AM
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GreenHearted(5a IL)

Thanks for input everyone. Yes, this is Calamintha var nepeta or Missouri Botanical Gardens refers to it as Calamintha nepeta subsp. nepeta per the link below. It is not the 'White Cloud' cultivar.

I'm thrilled that it is a bee magnet... I haven't seen hardly any this year so I'm trying to do everything I can to encourage them.

Dogg, while it is a different plant, I also have 'Walkers Low' and I love it to pieces. Looks great most of the season and requires almost no maintenance.

Here is a link that might be useful: Calamintha

    Bookmark   July 14, 2014 at 10:32AM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

In doing a bit of research, it looks like Calamintha nepeta subsp. nepeta is simply a synonym for Calamintha nepatoides. In other words, they're the same plant.

I would suspect, nepatoides is more commonly used, but I'm not sure about that.

Wiki's list of species:

Calamintha acinos - a synonym for Acinos arvensis, also called basil thyme
Calamintha alpina - a synonym for Acinos alpinus, the Alpine Calamint
Calamintha ascendens - a synonym for Calamintha sylvatica
Calamintha ashei
Calamintha baetica - a synonym for Calamintha sylvatica
Calamintha baumgarteni
Calamintha chinensis - a synonym for Clinopodium chinense
Calamintha clinopodium - a synonym for Clinopodium vulgare, the Wild Basil
Calamintha coccinea
Calamintha dentata
Calamintha exigua - a synonym for Acinos rotundifolius
Calamintha grandiflora - Large-Flowered Calamint, an ornamental plant.
Calamintha graveolens - a synonym for Acinos rotundifolius
Calamintha nepeta - Lesser Calamint,
Calamintha nepetoides - a synonym for Calamintha nepeta
Calamintha nepeta subsp. nepeta
Calamintha officinalis - a synonym for Calamintha sylvatica
Calamintha sylvatica, Common Calamint, a low-growing plant with a minty smell and lavender flowers. It prefers alkaline soil. The leaves can be used to make tea.
Calamintha sylvatica ascendens - an earlier name for Calamintha sylvatica
Calamintha umbrosa - a synonym for Clinopodium umbrosum
Calamintha vulgaris - a synonym for Clinopodium vulgare, The Wild Basil

Kevin

This post was edited by aachenelf on Mon, Jul 14, 14 at 11:53

    Bookmark   July 14, 2014 at 11:50AM
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GreenHearted(5a IL)

Yes, I believe you are correct Kevin, that they are the same plant -- straight species, not a cultivar.

The nursery I bought these from is very reputable. They had the common name as Lesser Calamint. It may just be a case of botanists messing with the names =)

I still refuse to call sedum Hylotelephium for no good reason other than than I just prefer sedum.

    Bookmark   July 14, 2014 at 12:22PM
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felisar

I've had the blue form of the calmintha for years. For me it is a love/hate relationship. It is great ground cover and edger plant and beloved by bees. BUT it is also a prolific re-seeder. I try to deadhead before it sets seed but I am not always successful. I am constantly pulling out seedlings everywhere.

    Bookmark   July 14, 2014 at 12:47PM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

"It may just be a case of botanists messing with the names"

Oh Lord! Do they like to mess with names!

I was an orchid grower for many years and it was almost impossible to keep up with the name changes. It drove one nuts at times.

Kevin

    Bookmark   July 14, 2014 at 2:26PM
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GreenHearted(5a IL)

Very interesting that 'Blue Cloud' seems to be more aggressive with the self seeding. I'm glad that a least a few members haven't had any problems with the white calamint and will hold out hope that I'll have the same experience.

Yeah, botanists are a funny group... sometimes they get so hung up on details, they miss the forest for the trees!

    Bookmark   July 14, 2014 at 3:48PM
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