Any Williamsburg, Va area tree peeps?

poaky1June 21, 2014

I have posted on the Va gardening forum also. Anyone close enough to a Compton's oak to get some acorns in fall/ late summer? I have put in an order where I got my 3 previuos Compton's oaks, but they aren't sure about the acorn crop, I guess spring frosts had hit their trees they collect from. I am not sure when they ripen, late summer or in fall. I put my order in for 4 at Mossy oak nursery, where I got my 3 others. I actually am not sure my "late drop" live oaks will not do fine in the future, they had problems in their nursery with some. The Pa forum peeps said that winter 2013-2014 was a every 20 years bad winter. I will keep my Live oaks in the ground also, but anyone that can pick some Compton's oak acorns? I will pay 50 cents an acorn, just the ones that are ripe, tannish colored, no holes in them. With a maximum of 30 acorns, I'm poorish. I will send some to others on here that want some for $1.00 an acorn with the shipping included in the deal. I am not meaning to make a profit, I am guessing on prices here. Maybe 75 cents an acorn? I'll see if anyone will even pick and send some. I have a sick dog at home so a quick trip in fall isn't likely. He gets insulin 2 times a day, and Lasix for heart problems. Well, I hope someone is close to Williamsburg, va.

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hairmetal4ever(Z7 MD)

If anyone does this, I'd gladly take some acorns as well.

    Bookmark   June 23, 2014 at 11:02AM
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poaky1

I posted on the Virginia gardeners forum also. I haven't gotten around to reading replies, if there are any yet. I will start another subject to talk about the Q. Alba X Q. Virginiana hybrid.My Compton's may be producing soon BTW, but not sure when, that's the problem.

    Bookmark   June 23, 2014 at 7:15PM
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greengrassjunkie

I'm willing to do this. Right around the corner from me. I also responded in your va thread

    Bookmark   September 28, 2014 at 4:17AM
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poaky1

Greengrass... I will take a few, I am getting seedlings I believe, from Mossy oaks. They are due to be shipped to me in Oct, a few days from now, but I will take some of the acorns, in case I am wrong and they have run out. I have Chestnut oak acorns, if you want to trade, they are getting mature quickly, so I will need to send them out soon. I can pay postage if you don't want to trade anything. Let me know your terms. poaky1

    Bookmark   September 28, 2014 at 10:45PM
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davidrt28 (zone 7)

I'm struggling to remember, but I don't think those trees were evergreen after 1994. The overcup dominates the hybrid, they are pretty oaks but did not look like the Q. virginianas in Williamsburg. The live oaks were more or less fine after that freeze: what really stuck out was the Quercus acutas and Q. glaucas. Those were badly burnt, might have even needed some minor branch trimming. Whichever was near the Sequoias is huge now, and seems to be trying to dominate their lower canopy! I didn't look for the other locations. At least they haven't been cut down for not being Colonial or Native enough or somesuch nonsense.

    Bookmark   September 30, 2014 at 5:41AM
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greengrassjunkie

It's still growing well and green. Should I take some pics of the tree and the acorns before gathering them?

    Bookmark   September 30, 2014 at 11:59AM
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davidrt28 (zone 7)

Yes, please post pics, those would be interesting as a reminder.
Are these the trees in a allee on the W&M campus? Those are the ones I remember. Maybe there is another one in Wmbg that behaves more like an evergreen.

At this point, I mainly run my memory on my erstwhile sense of the desirability of something. For example I still have a perfectly good freeze-frame image in my mind of an Arbutus unedo 'Compacta' in full fruit. Because I'd never seen one in person before and they are so pretty. I had the oppurtunity to observe the W&M Compton oaks for some years, and they never struck me as very appealing. Of course, people's tastes do change. And garden settings do change. The Sequoias on campus are not as appealing looking as they were in the mid 90s, when they were had such perfect tall conical forms and hadn't had major storm damage yet.

Way off topic, but are the English Yews in Williamsburg still doing well? I think there was one in the Bruton Parish chuch yard and maybe one in the Governor's Palace grounds. I remember thinking back then that they were very uncommon in SE Viriginia. They looked a little ratty back then.

This post was edited by davidrt28 on Tue, Sep 30, 14 at 12:13

    Bookmark   September 30, 2014 at 12:09PM
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greengrassjunkie

I believe the one the OP is referring to is near the governers palace. Off Nicholson. I knew it was an oak but honestly had no idea it was a hybrid evergreen. It's extremely large. Like 90 feet wide and according to my research it is referred to as a semi-evergreen type.

    Bookmark   September 30, 2014 at 12:40PM
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davidrt28 (zone 7)

Ok, not to be prickly and difficult (as if that could happen!)
But I found a picture of the other Compton Oak in Wmbg. Not very evergreen looking in this picture. And not hideous, but probably not something I'd make space for in my garden:

Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.williamsburgva.gov/Modules/ShowImage.aspx?imageid=805

    Bookmark   September 30, 2014 at 12:41PM
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davidrt28 (zone 7)

And btw, in 9 out of 10 winters north of the Mason-Dixon, it would complete lose its leaf canopy in winter.

    Bookmark   September 30, 2014 at 12:45PM
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greengrassjunkie

Yeah I would have pruned it a little differently I believe. I like other compton I oaks I have seen pictures of. Of I am currently looking for a quick growing nice shaped tree to plant at my house. We have no more trees left in our yard.

    Bookmark   September 30, 2014 at 12:50PM
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bboy(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

Sometimes when looking at trees in people's yards they of course assume I am looking at them or maybe casing the joint. Afterall, who would expect somebody to be looking at the stupid trees, right? Anyway, what I am wondering here is if that is what is meant by tree "peeps", as in peeping.

    Bookmark   September 30, 2014 at 8:50PM
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hortster(6a, southcentral KS)

Took this one in 2013 when visiting the daughter and family. The Compton oak is spectacular!

    Bookmark   October 1, 2014 at 12:03PM
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poaky1

I have 3 ( Or 4) Compton's oaks already in my yard and most aren't evergreen. The one in both pics shown by you guys, is the one I am thinking of. I am willing to do without the evergreen leaves, so that I can at least have the Live oak shape, or close to it. This is one of the trees in my yard this spring, it has grown a foot or 2 since. I will email you Greengrassjunkie for details. Thanks guys/gals

    Bookmark   October 1, 2014 at 6:48PM
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poaky1

I just wanna add that my Durand oak stayed green winter 2012-2013. It is supposed to be deciduous, go figure. It is much bigger now, but here a pic.

    Bookmark   October 1, 2014 at 6:56PM
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poaky1

Greengrassjunkie, I forgot that I don't HAVE your email address. I tried to post that fact earlier, but my computer was being tempermental, and I could'nt get back online to say so earlier. My email is julie.gogola@yahoo.com. Send me info on what you want for the acorns of Compton's oak in Va. ( Williamsburg, Va right?) I currently will be getting 3 Compton's seedlings from Mossy oak natives nursery, but would take a handful of acorns. I have explained in the Va forum how they are special, but, I don't want to pay alot for them. Maybe on ebay you can get a decent price for seedlings, but I will not pay much for them. My Compton's will produce seed in a few years themselves according to the nursery I got them from. Well, figure your price out and I will reply to you. If you choose to grow the trees and sell on ebay, about $9-$10 is your likely price range, unless those people check the Mossy oak natives nursery site, which is ever so slightly cheaper by 50 cents to a buck difference. If you want more than $1.00 per acorn, I will just wait til mine produce in 4-6 years. But you may be able to sell seedlings on ebay for 8-10 bucks when they are 2 ft tall. Just figure what your plans are. I will never be lacking in oak trees. A friend will be sending me a Libani oak soon. I will take an acorn or 2 at $1.00 or less. I don't mean to be smart, but they are rare but not super rare and unavailable in the US. The Libani mention is RARE and not available in the US. Tell me your price. Poaky1. Oh, P.S. You will need to put the acorns in a bucket of water, and those that don't sink are likely not good. Those that sink to the bottom are likely good. Any holes in the acorn are from insects that will eat the insides of the acorn and it will not sprout. I don't mean to be nasty, but the Compton's oak is rare, but not rare in my yard. I'll give you a buck per good acorn. Maybe ebay will get you the same amount of moolah, just make sure the acorns are good, you know no holes and they sink in a bucket of water.

    Bookmark   October 1, 2014 at 10:00PM
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clanross(7b Virginia)

I went to the Compton's Oak on 10/19, but think I was too late as there were NONE on the ground and very few left on the tree. I ended up with 5 and likely not all of them are good. I will try to start the ones I have and try to get there earlier next fall. They must be very tasty. ??? We scoured the place.

    Bookmark   October 22, 2014 at 3:09PM
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poaky1

I would imagine, being a white oak family oak that they were tastier to critters. Yeah, you likely were a tad bit to late. I have already received 4 new Compton's oak babies from Mossy oak natives. I had posted about acorns because the guys at the Mossy oak nurseries weren't sure that they would have enough good acorns for filling their Compton's oak seedling orders this fall. That was because of springs weather must've held onto winters temps too long. I may have overexplained this all, sorry. Well, if those acorns sink in a bucket of water, or a tall glass, if you only have a few, they should be good, if they float, they are likely empty from bugs or not developed enough etc. The acorns you have, if good should be kept cool, or better yet direct sown on the ground where you want the tree. If you want to grow one, just put them not quite covered on their sides into the soil, the taproot will go directly into the soil. You can start in pots and keep outside or where it is 30-40F for a few months. I would just put them outside where you want your tree, put those you saw sink in water only. Space out a couple, see which grows faster in spring, protect the seeds/acorns with a basket or something, wire or something. In spring it should become a tree on top, your roots had all fall, winter and spring to push through, and I like to start oaks that way. No transplant crap and all your roots are growing as they should, no tangled root problems etc. Poaky1 If you know all this, sorry for being long winded.

    Bookmark   October 24, 2014 at 1:29AM
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hairmetal4ever(Z7 MD)

Sad to hear that, clanross.

I'd love a Compton's. Maybe Mossy Oak has some left.

    Bookmark   October 24, 2014 at 4:33PM
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poaky1

They just may have more, but you gotta spend $20 some odd bucks minimum for each order. They have tree shelters and all that too.

    Bookmark   October 24, 2014 at 8:48PM
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