Climbing rose suggestions?

diggity_ma(5 MA)June 12, 2012

I'm putting in an order with heirloomroses.com and looking for some suggestions. We just put in a new fence which I'd like to turn into a support for climbing roses. It's a black aluminum 5-foot fence which goes round our pool, so I figure I can train canes to it very nicely.

The one thing I don't want, however, is a giant frumpy shrub with a fence in the middle of it. :-)

In other words, I'm looking for climbers that can be trained up and along the fence, but don't grow very wide. Fragrance would be nice too. We are in zone 5 (central MA).

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

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Hrose(6 A)

crimson cascade climber

good luck to ya

    Bookmark   June 12, 2012 at 4:13PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

How you train climbers on a fence is you spread them out roughly in a fan shape. If you really want a rose that is just going up the fence, then you want a self supporting shrub.

John Davis is a very nice, hardy rose, but own-root takes forever to climb. It took mine about ten years to stop being a shrub, then I moved it, and so far have waited five for a second climbing cane.

Clair Matin is another that might work, but gets more blackspot than I'm currently willing to live with. As does Henry Kelsey.

New Dawn will work if you are 5b and not 5a. It can be a beast, and will require training. If you don't have your lion tamer suit handy, you may want to pass. The same is true of that notorious beast, William Baffin.

If you want to try another nursery, start by screening for zone 4 climbers. I've yet to see a list that only list as zone 5 climbers roses that will climb in zone 5, as opposed to those that will merely survive. Then ask for advice on that list. Probably about half of those will not be able to handle a northeastern zone 5.

BTW, if you blow bubbles when it is below -10F, they freeze. It is incredibly cool when the frozen bubbles break.

    Bookmark   June 12, 2012 at 5:45PM
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Hrose(6 A)

i gotta try the bubble freezing thing this winter hahaa

here's more info on crimson cascade

"Healthy, dark red full-flowered blooms on a shiny upright plant, double bloom, 10' - 12'. Propagated on hardy Rosa Multiflora rootstock. All roses have been grown and tended for in our family-owned rose nursery.

Rose details
Rose name:Crimson Cascade�
Other names:FRYclimbdown
Type:Climber roseFragrance:Fragrant roseRose color:Dark RedBreeder:Fryer, 1991Height:10' - 12'Shrub form:ClimberBloom size:LargePetal count:DoubleHardy:USDA 5b - 9b *Repeat bloomer"

http://palatineroses.com/rose/crimson-cascade

    Bookmark   June 12, 2012 at 7:20PM
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diggity_ma(5 MA)

Mad_gallica, yes a fan shape is exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks for the suggestion about the self supporting shrub. I'll have to remember the frozen bubbles thing. :-)

Hrose, thanks for the tip on Crimson Cascade. It looks very nice, and fragrant too! I think I'll give it a try.

BTW, we also bought an arbor to place over the gate on this new fence. I was planning on buying two Blaze climbers, one for each side of the arbor. I know Blaze isn't fragrant (bummer), but apart from that my impression of it is that it's a good performer. Is this right? Would it be good on an arbor in zone 5?

Thanks!

    Bookmark   June 13, 2012 at 2:06PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

I grew Blaze in another time and place. It never managed to get above 2 ft tall.

The state of the art red climber currently is Quadra. Absolutely indestructible in this climate.

If you want a repeat blooming climber, for the most part you are looking at Canadian Explorer roses. ANYTHING else is suspect.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2012 at 2:25PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

If you want hardy and disease resistant for the Northeast, get Quadra.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2012 at 5:33PM
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ratdogheads(5b NH)

Hi, I hope the photo works, I'm new to the forum and haven't attempted this yet. We're thrilled with purple splash. This is a 1 year old plant.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2012 at 9:36PM
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predfern(z5 Chicago)

I have had good luck with Nahema. It is upright, hardy and fragrant. I am in zone 5a.

Here is a link that might be useful: Delbard roses at RU

    Bookmark   June 14, 2012 at 12:10AM
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diggity_ma(5 MA)

Glad you warned me about Blaze - I was just about to pull the trigger on it - thanks!

Rat, that purple splash looks perfect - is it fragrant? If you're in Southern NH then we're not far away from you, so it should work for me too.

Nahema and Quadra look great too - thanks for all the suggestions!

    Bookmark   June 14, 2012 at 9:27AM
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diggity_ma(5 MA)

BTW, speaking of the Explorer series, anyone grow John Cabot? How is it for repeat blooming and fragrance? Thanks!

    Bookmark   June 14, 2012 at 9:32AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

John Cabot in a no spray garden here has good resistance, some repeat, no fragrance that I've noticed.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2012 at 11:14AM
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bellarosa(z5/IL)

John Cabot gets HUGE! It's a very hardy rose given that is part of the Canadian Explorer series. Very heavy bloom in June, but very sporadic bloom thereafter. Good disease resistance.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2012 at 4:17PM
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ratdogheads(5b NH)

Sadly purple splash has only the faintest fragrance. It's a vigorous grower with long lasting blossoms. It was in bloom almost constantly until the first snowfall.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2012 at 8:30PM
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Hrose(6 A)

forgot to mention ilse krohn superior climbing rose this one has fragrance too dark green leaves

it may have some die back in your zone

    Bookmark   June 14, 2012 at 8:40PM
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