Echinacea 'Marmalade' Nothing Like Photos

echinaceamaniac(7)August 24, 2010

Echinacea 'Marmalade' looks nothing like the marketing images promising orange blooms. It has a lot of pink and yellow tones, but it's not the orange color from the marketing images. On the left is the marketing image used to sell these at several online nurseries. On the right is a photo of mine. What color are yours if you have this one?

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mayhem69(zone 6 SE PA)

that's not a very good photo on the right, it is very dark, i can't see any color at all.
It doesn't surprise me any that yours does not look like the marketing pic.
Same goes with my Tomato Soup.
I think i am done buying Ech's without blooms. The only way i will buy a plant now is when it is blooming.

    Bookmark   August 24, 2010 at 8:23PM
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I still like it. I have noticed the color is better in cooler zones. It's difficult to plan your colors though when the plants aren't the color promised. It's frustrating. 'Hot Papaya' is more red here and it was supposed to be orange. I do like them though. I'll try to get a better photo.

    Bookmark   August 25, 2010 at 6:47AM
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I'm waiting to buy any fancy echs until I know they won't revert. I heard that after a couple of seasons they become ordinary echs. Is that your experience?

    Bookmark   August 25, 2010 at 10:39AM
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Being that they're hybrids and not genetic mutations, it's physically impossible for them to revert. And just as unlikely that seedlings will look like E. purpurea. More likely with people experiencing such a phenomenon is that a normal E. purpurea seeded into the crown of a hybrid and sprouted and the hybrid died at some point.

Tomato Soup looks just like the pics from Terra Nova for me, not sure what anyone else is experiencing. Same goes with most of their Echs.

Keep in mind that the pro photographers are using natural light to their advantage to get good color saturation. For instance, how many people see Gaillardia Frenzy as the rich vibrant red it's marketed as? Well, go out at dusk during a sunset and take a look. This is what you get. Sorry for any graininess and blur, 1/5th second shutter speed and iso 3200. I should have used a tripod and lower iso.

color saturation almost hurts your eyes doesn't it?

The Plant Geek

    Bookmark   August 25, 2010 at 11:04AM
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coolplantsguy(z6 Ontario)

While hybrids technically cannot "revert" back to their original parents, in reality, and I believe what many are experiencing with Echinacea, when one allows them to self-sow, is that dominant genes are producing plants that are likely more vigorous (than the newer, fancy-coloured hybrids) and look otherwise like good ol' E. purpurea.

So, in an average garden situation that might include a few 'Magnus' along with some of the newer hybrids, where the plants are permitted to self-sow, in a couple of years, one likely sees mostly purple-flowered plants.

    Bookmark   August 25, 2010 at 11:40AM
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Color genes for Echinacea don't show clear cut dominance like so many other plants, which is why f1 crosses of purpurea x paradoxa produce a range of orange, yellow, and amber colors. (f2 and later show the same range of colors- with no purples) I think it would take a number of backcrosses to purpurea to get purple flowers due to strong codominance. I'm not 100% sure, but I can find out easily enough.

In simple dominance f1 would have been either yellow, pink, purple, or white depending on the parents used. Other colors wouldn't be expressed until an f2 generation was produced through a sibling cross or a cross back to the recessive parent. I don't think this is simple codominance either, since we see a lot of yellows in f1 and subsequent generations. I'm guessing yellow is slightly more dominant which means breeding back to get purple is even more difficult.

The Plant Geek

    Bookmark   August 25, 2010 at 12:38PM
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coolplantsguy(z6 Ontario)

That's interesting info. Maybe it's a function of vigour (and/or the oft-mentioned hardiness issues) then that ultimately produces a bed full of normal-looking Echinacea after a few years.

    Bookmark   August 25, 2010 at 1:07PM
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The problem is some of the new cultivars aren't as winter hardy. I agree. I've never seen one revert. It's impossible.

I have planted seeds of the hybrids and gotten reds and other colors. It's fun to sow them and see the interesting plants they produce. They often look much like the parent and many perform better in the garden.

    Bookmark   August 25, 2010 at 2:18PM
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I've been sceptical about stories of Echinacea changing colours too, until it happened to me. So you can stop all the explanations about a-seedling-in-a-pot or seedling-in-the-other-plant or other 'impossible' versions. Now I'm a believer. Last summer I bought a large pot of Tomato Soup in full bloom. I was too busy to plant it at once, and I was suprised by the very early winter(I'm from Denmark). So the plant wintered in my basement. I planted it out in May this year, and all the shoots- 10 big shoots are now blooming in ordinary purple. The only thing unchanged is the habit of the plant and the branching. Not only flowers are purple, but also distorted and quilled like the Big Sky plants. What about that?? I will try to post the picture soon
My Marmalade looks like on the picture alright, but there is only one flower on the top of each stalk.No branches at all.

    Bookmark   August 2, 2011 at 2:28PM
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The only echinacea that is true to photos in my opinion is Hot Papaya-which I have and is beautiful. The white ones are pretty much close to the photos posted on nursery sites. I also have Echinacea Sundown-which is very disappointing. Color fades in the sun to a pinkish reddish mess. Want to replace them with Hot papaya but evidently since its a new one all the nurseries are overcharging for them. Will wait till the prices go down.

    Bookmark   July 26, 2012 at 7:36AM
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plantgnome I planted Hot Papaya late last summer and it has produced outstanding flowers in this first full growing season. This is a great coneflower in my opinion.

    Bookmark   July 26, 2012 at 6:57PM
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yes rouge21-I have it also planted last fall. It is a beauty as I said. However Sundown-not so much. Just found a site that is selling hot papaya for $7.60 per plant instead of the ridiculous prices on other plant sites asking up to $16.00 a plant. I ordered 3 for my daughters house to replace those ugly sundowns, will put sundown in the back of her yard, see if they get any nicer next season.

    Bookmark   July 26, 2012 at 7:18PM
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I purchased Pink Double Delight this spring and so far, all the buds that have opened show light to medium pink petals but I'm still waiting for the "double" fluffy top to form. I can see where it will be coming from but it's not formed as yet on any of a half a dozen flowers that are open. The plant has grown quickly and is much larger than when it was sent. There are lots of buds and the plant habit is nice and bushy. Now for the flowers to get the correct form....

At the same time, my daughter purchased another newer one, Raspberry Truffle, and it is much smaller than my plant, even from the beginning it was smaller, but the flower are exactly as shown in on-line pictures. They are gorgeous and almost don't look real.

We will see how each of these plants perform the rest of the gardening season and if they return next spring. That will be the real test.

I've had E. Milkshake for two years now and it is a great performer and seems hardy here in my zone.


    Bookmark   July 26, 2012 at 8:21PM
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I've been very pleased and surprised by "marmalade'. It's blooms are exactly like the picture when they first bloom, but the intensity has faded in the hot sun.
But, unlike many of the new cultivars I've tried, it's a blooming machine, and the orange pompom is arresting. It's a good plant, in my opinion, and I'm not at all fond of double or pompom flowers.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 10:04AM
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