igloo mums more hardy??or hype??

sandy0225(z5 Indiana)September 26, 2011

I just purchased several igloo mums at another greenhouse in Indianapolis after looking for someone local where I could pick up a few to try, and I'm planning on growing them at my greenhouse next year for sale based on what I've read on the internet. But it seems most of what I've read and finding on the net is marketing materials. I've not really found any "end user" data out there on the 'net, other than one review some garden writer put out but it seemed like she had just planted them when she wrote it and there's no follow up that I found.

Does anyone have amy first-hand experience with these mums/dendrathema species? Did you plant them in the fall and did they come back reliably like they say?

I'm going to be planting 4-6 of them to trial them here in z5 Muncie,IN but I just wondered...

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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

I'm planning on growing them at my greenhouse next year for sale based on what I've read on the internet

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they are patented...

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link

    Bookmark   September 26, 2011 at 11:04AM
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sandy0225(z5 Indiana)

I already knew they were patented, being a licensed greenhouse, I deal with that a lot. I didn't say I was propagating my own...I'm reselling the ones I picked up and planting a few for my trials here. I just wondered if anyone had any experiences--good or bad--with these coming back or not.

    Bookmark   September 26, 2011 at 3:25PM
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wieslaw59

I do not know those particular ones, but my general experience is that it is hype. I live in Demmark and none of the American varieties which were declaired as hardy are very hardy here. This last winter one or two survived, but so weakened that they did not grow at all.

    Bookmark   September 26, 2011 at 4:46PM
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coolplantsguy(z6 Ontario)

I'm a fan of the Mammoth Mums (orginally My Favourite) that were bred at the University of Minnesota. I had the red-flowered form survive for many years easily.

One of the keys for any "hardy" mum I recall is to plant them in late May or early June for good establishment.

    Bookmark   September 26, 2011 at 6:31PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

the last thing i would have presumed.. based on the thousands of peeps on GW .. was that you were in the profession .. i did not intend to insult you with the warning ...

all the power to ya ....

good luck

ken

    Bookmark   September 26, 2011 at 6:46PM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

I agree with coolplantsguy about when to plant. I had given up on mums entirely until a few years ago and then purchased a few rooted cuttings from a MN grower in late spring. By fall I had decent sized plants. By the next year, I had more than I could handle. They multiplied so well and continue to do so.

My Mammoth Red Daisey (a new one this year) is just starting to bloom. It's pretty cute.

Kevin

    Bookmark   September 26, 2011 at 7:03PM
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whaas_5a(5A SE WI)

Plant a mum in fall and its guaranteed to croak.

I planted so many zone 4 hardy mums in fall (thats when they seem to make there way out to the sale area) and they kept dying!

Finally someone told me to plant in spring...sure enough those buggers came back.

"Most" mums tend to struggle in clay soils. They demand well drained soil...although some fair ok in clay (like Sheffield).

    Bookmark   September 26, 2011 at 9:22PM
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wieslaw59

@ whaas, it applies to many plants blooming in late autumn, not only chrysanthemums, that they survive better when planted in the spring. You can extend it to Aster amellus, Aster frikartii and others.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2011 at 6:08AM
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jerseygirl07603 z6NJ

I've had Rosy Igloo mum for a few years and it's a great plant! I'm in a warmer zone than you so can't attest to it's hardiness. Planted in Spring. It's grown into a huge round mass of many blooms, with no pinching. I'm not crazy about the color - it's too red for my taste - if I could find a yellow I'd be a happpy camper.

    Bookmark   September 27, 2011 at 2:31PM
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sandy0225(z5 Indiana)

The igloo does come in yellow now. They call it sunny igloo, also in purple, cool igloo. white=frosty igloo.
I have a few of the yellow here that I'm getting ready to plant out. z6 is a little warmer than here and you planted in the spring. Maybe I should get in my igloo's for spring planting. Maybe I can get some customers to look ahead that far to fall, mums are kind of a hard sell in spring... Thanks for the input everyone....

    Bookmark   September 27, 2011 at 3:19PM
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sandy0225(z5 Indiana)

update, ALL of the igloo mums we planted came back! At my house, at mom's and my sisters, and the ones we sold to customers came back from the ones that have told me so far.
Also another cool thing, they look like when we planted them last year, nice and rounded and not too tall, not all rangy looking like traditional mums if they even come back at all. I think it's a home run.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2012 at 7:49AM
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rouge21_gw(5)

wieslaw59 wrote:

I do not know those particular ones, but my general experience is that it is hype. I live in Demmark and none of the American varieties which were declaired as hardy are very hardy here.

If at all available please try the Canadian developed hardy mums. For example these shown in this link are hardy to zone 3.

Here is a link that might be useful: VERY hardy mums

    Bookmark   June 14, 2012 at 5:37PM
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sandy0225(z5 Indiana)

here's a picture of one of the ones that came back, taken at my house.

Here is a link that might be useful:

    Bookmark   July 27, 2012 at 4:19PM
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sandy0225(z5 Indiana)

whoops, I did that wrong, let me try again

Here is a link that might be useful: igloo mum one year after planting at my house

    Bookmark   July 27, 2012 at 4:20PM
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sandy0225(z5 Indiana)

third time's the charm! i hope :)

Here is a link that might be useful: igloo mum picture at the house

    Bookmark   July 27, 2012 at 4:22PM
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wieslaw59

Rouge, thank you for the information. I have never seen them here in Europe. It may take years before they come here, if at all.

The potted ones they sell in stores are ALWAYS nameless for some reason, impossible to know what they are.

    Bookmark   July 29, 2012 at 12:30PM
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