Input on Berlina (HT)

dublinbay z6 (KS)September 2, 2012

Does anyone know anything about the yellow HT called Berolina? It is supposed to be very disease resistant and is fragrant

I tried searching the Gardenweb rose forums but could find nothing about it. However, HMF rates it very highly, and when I tried a google search, I did get an older gardenweb rose forum posting with a lovely picture (see link below).

It is available at Palatine Roses and maybe Pickering. I haven't really checked yet if there are other places or not.

Sure would like some updated info. on it.

Kate

Here is a link that might be useful: Yellow rose

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Sorry about the mis-spelling in the title. BEROLINA is the correct spelling.

Kate

    Bookmark   September 2, 2012 at 9:17PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Should I take it that no one knows anything about Berolina? My orginal question seems to be getting ready to slip of page 1 before long. Sure wish I could get more info. before deciding whether or not to order it.

Kate

    Bookmark   September 3, 2012 at 2:08PM
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henry_kuska

This is a copy of what I wrote another hybridizer about my Berolina X William Baffin cross.

His question: "Why are you pleased with the Berolina x Baffin sdg--aside from its being from a cross of a yellow with some pretty hardy stuff? Is Berolina pretty hardy? Does it repeat well? ----------."

My reply: "My Baffin repears well all summer. It is great. Berolina has large yellow flowers, is disease free, and is relatively hardy. I would like a yellow William Baffin.
Henry Kuska, retired"
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I can add that like many large flowered hybrid teas it takes time to produce large full blooms so it did not repeat too often (from memory).

According to my 1998-1999 results it also set a hip with Illusion pollen. C:\Documents and Settings\Henry Kuska\My Documents\My Webs\rosehips98-99.htm

Here is a link that might be useful: EveryRose.com reader ratings

    Bookmark   September 4, 2012 at 1:27AM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

It's one I'm considering, too. I don't know a thing about her, but she looks nice. I've seen Elina in person, so I may go with her (really pretty), but Berolina looks lovely.

    Bookmark   September 4, 2012 at 1:28AM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

If Berlina and Selfridge are the same, maybe people know it as Selfridge. Do ask the people at Palatine about the rose. They are very helpful.

    Bookmark   September 4, 2012 at 7:43AM
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henry_kuska

"Robert, I forgot to add Selfridges. I have three seedlings of it in my test spots this year. They are all Selfridges x Freedom. Selfridges is very healthy and sets seed easily. However, it is not a super strong yellow which is why I never suggested it. It has nice form, though! It's major flaw, in my opinion, is the lack of good branching habit. It is 8' tall by September.

Also, you may look for Aalsmer Gold. It is bred from Selfridges and has apparently been used as a female parent before."

H. Kuska comment: The above is from the Rose Hybridizers Link given below. At that link you will have to do 2 searchs, one with each name to see all the comments, but the above is (I think) the main one concerning garden growth.

Here is a link that might be useful: RHA thread

    Bookmark   September 4, 2012 at 11:03AM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Thank you, Henry, for tracking down that additional info about Berolina/Selfridge. That is very helpful.

How about fragrance? The few googled references I looked at didn't quite agree. One said strong and sweet, for instance, but a couple others just said mild -- which usually means most people can't smell it.

Meredith--I have Elina--big, hefty plant, managed to keep on blooming (barely) through our terrible triple-digit summer when other stalwarts finally went dormant (from heat exhaustion!). To me Elina is more a creamy blend with pale lemon yellow centers. She's a great plant--in fact I have 3 of her. Oh, she has terrible thorns.

I was looking at Berolina as a more (hopefully) yellow rose, although she fades in the heat, but seems prolific enough that she displays a combination of bright gold/yellow blooms, creamy-yellow blends, and creamy-white--I thought it was a quite attractive combination in the few pictures I could locate. Berlina also looks like it has much longer stems for each rose--gives a much more vertical emphasis to the overall appearance of the plant. But of course all I know is what I've seen in a few pictures, so . . . .

I think you would do well with either one, Meredith.

Kate

    Bookmark   September 4, 2012 at 12:13PM
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henry_kuska

Kate, I am a retired chemist. My ability to smell was lost many, many years ago. Sorry.

    Bookmark   September 4, 2012 at 12:41PM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

Well thank you for the Elina info! I really need a yellow there, for this certain spot. I had an old, old HT there but it's not the spot for that, turns out. Oops :)

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 5:56AM
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HonorRose

if a rose is disease resistant in your zone please dont tell others that it's disease resistant I have this rose and it's its mostly covered in black-spot but the blooms are very nice

ps i dont think there is a such a thing as a disease resistant HT

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 11:09AM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Thanks anyway, henry.

Honor, sorry to hear about your bad experience. What zone do you live in? Are you telling me that you, like me, live in Zone 6 in the midwest and therefore I should be concerned about this rose NOT being disease-resistant in my garden?

Personally, I never confuse "disease-resistant" with "disease-free"--which is probably why I don't get as disappointed with a rose as you do. My HTs are fairly good on disease-resistance--not excellent, but fairly good--and rate about the same as any number of modern and old rose shrubs I also have in my garden. If I were bothered by HTs, I just wouldnt' grow them, but I also like HTs--and my Red Intuition and Memoire, for instance, have had maybe three BS spots on them this entire growing season. I don't see why I should consider that a problem.

Kate

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 11:40AM
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HonorRose

hmm yeah i did confuse disease-resistant" with "disease-free"
sorry

i'm in zone 6B but my rose had BS when i bought it the last one they had left so i didnt really have a choice

vigorous grower tho 5-6 ft tall already and strong fragrance

good luck with yours

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 2:36PM
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henry_kuska

HonorRose, I am not sure which rose you are referring to, Elina or Berolina?

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 3:49PM
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HonorRose

i'm talking about Berolina

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 5:18PM
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henry_kuska

HonorRose do you remember who you purchased it from? I ask because maybe the rootstock or virused versus non virused has something to do with yours not having blackspot resistance.

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 5:29PM
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HonorRose

i bought it from LOWES

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 5:41PM
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HonorRose

want me to post a pic of the plant?

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 5:42PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

If you purchased it from Lowes, anything is possible--from very good to bad. However, if you bought it diseased, you would need to do a lot of work to get it back to health--which would probably include a lot of spraying it with a fungicide like Bayer Garden Disease Control for Roses, Flowers, and Shrubs--and it might take all season to get it functioning in a healthy way again.

My advice in the future is, if you are going to buy from Lowes, only buy roses that look really healthy and vigorous. That will save you a lot of headaches.

Kate

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 6:48PM
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henry_kuska

Thank you,HonorRose, do you remember who the supplier listed on the tag was. I checked Help-Me-Find and there were very few U.S. suppliers listed.

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 8:09PM
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HonorRose

here you go bud you cant see much black spot in the picture because i pruned most the infected leaves but u can tell by the skinny stems and i keep getting blind shoots

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 9:08PM
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henry_kuska

Thank you HonorRose. The patent number 4972616 does not make any sense to me. A google search of BKH0015 and of CU2405B with the word rose did not find anything related to Berolina. Can anyone else explain what is happening?

    Bookmark   September 6, 2012 at 9:59PM
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HonorRose

other then the blackspot and blind stems not a bad yellow

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 12:04PM
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HonorRose

second picture

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 12:05PM
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HonorRose

oops..second picture

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 12:06PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Thanks for the pics, honor.

I still predict that after you have it growing well in your garden that you will find most of your BS problems have disappeared. You bought it when it had the "flu," as it were, so it demonstrated "sick" symptoms. A healthy, recovered Berolina should not have those problems.

Kate

    Bookmark   September 15, 2012 at 9:52AM
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