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ilodato(6b)

My husband said at dinner that they were really good and he doesn't at all miss the large heads and would like them to be there next year. I'd love to give it a better shot this fall though!

    Bookmark     May 24, 2015 at 5:35PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

What do I recommend? Well as I said above, I use compost, manured compost tea, and fish emulsion supplements. I grow organically as much as possible.

I never recommend Miracle Grow fertilizers for many reasons but many folks use them - lots of discussions here about the pros and cons of various fertilizers - so the choice of fertilizer is always yours. What are you using to feed all the other vegetables? The same thing would probably work for rabe.

But "high" in nitrogen is seldom necessary. Any well balanced fertilizer works fine whether it is organic or synthetic as long at it is used properly.

Dave

    Bookmark     May 24, 2015 at 7:28PM
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mdy113

thanks, will keep an eye and see how they do, might add rope to trellis as well. these half inch cukes on the tiny female flowers scared me at first. not sure qtip will fit either to pollinate when males will start forming. might need small tool.

    Bookmark     May 24, 2015 at 12:55PM
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galinas(5B)

I usually use male flower itself - just rip off all the petals, or just fold them back - and use until it holds up.

    Bookmark     May 24, 2015 at 6:13PM
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bjmacaoidh

Wait. Don't start with the kiling agents. If the aphids prefer the dandilion roots, DON'T pull the dandilions, and espcially don't try to treat them with some kind of toxic herbicide or aphid killer. If the aphids are on the roots of the dandilions, that does NOT mean they are on the roots of your other plants. It is possible that keeping the dandelions, the roots of which would be the aphids favorite food, is helping to keep the aphids from looking for plants that they don't like as much. If there are aphids on your other plants, the best thing you can do it let the dandelions thrive, so the aphids don't have to move to less-preferred food sources. Watch this video - and pay attention specifically right after 4:00 minutes - and keep watching. He will talk about DANDELIONS!! Listen to the experience. https://vimeo.com/98940910

    Bookmark     May 24, 2015 at 4:39PM
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bjmacaoidh

of course your crisis was 2 years ago, but maybe you will be able to apply this knowledge going forward.

    Bookmark     May 24, 2015 at 4:40PM
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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

I think it gets to the uppermost roots. I don't think it necessarily gets to the taproot. Weeds with taproots are what we're talking about here. By the time the uppermost roots are dead, there is no circulatory system that's going to get it to the taproot. In fact, weeds that aren't actively growing are pretty tolerant of glyphosate.

    Bookmark     May 24, 2015 at 10:47AM
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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

To answer the question of the OP, Roundup degrades naturally in soil on time scales of weeks to months. I don't think I'd want to put it on my soil two weeks before planting seeds as I'd guess that after that time, there would still be some left. No, I believe that's incorrect that it is gone in a "matter of a day". Ain't so. So whether you're worried about the health effects of it, or the effects on your plants, I don't think it would be smart to put it on your soil for vegetable gardening.

    Bookmark     May 24, 2015 at 2:23PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

I would cut a rectangular section out of the fabric about an inch, inch and a half wide and as long as the row needs to be. I thought about doing this with carrots but decided not to (and I probably should have considering all the weeds I just pulled) since I like to use organic mulches.

Rodney

    Bookmark     May 24, 2015 at 10:51AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

I don't care for kale smoothies personally but I love cooking with kale in all sorts of recipes and making dried kale chips - any kind of kale. We dehydrate a lot of it and add it to soupls and stews and salads and even chili. We grow a lot of Toscana, Red Bore and Dwarf Blue as well as Lacinato.
Dave

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 7:39PM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

I don't make or eat smoothies either. I like to eat my fruit and veggies whole, including all the fibre. I generally just steam it or sweat it in butter or olive oil and serve as greens. I also chop it into pasta sauces for extra goodness. I don't freeze or dehydrate it either as it is available afresh all winter and I don't like frozen vegetables. I tried kale chips a couple of times but wasn't impressed. Dirt do you have a recipe I could try to see if I can change my mind?

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 11:58PM
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dave_f1 SC, USDA Zone 8a(7b)

It;s more likely to be gray mold, Botrytis rot since the fruit look like they're just covered in grey/white velvety growth. Powdery mildew growth looks different on fruit than that and you would also see it on green fruit also. Of course snip off the rotting fruit and dispose of it.

1 Like    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 8:31PM Thanked by charlestj
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Sorry but I can't really tell much from your pictures. In the first one the dark edges and the crisping/rolling is often caused by too much nitrogen fertilizer. In the second picture I see a dark streak running through the one stem and maybe a couple of dark blotches on the one in the middle of the pic but it is difficult to tell how accurate the color is because the soil in your pics also looks VERY black and that is weird.

The dark staining of stems can often be a symptom of any of several different fungus diseases. If that is the case then that plant should probably be pulled and replaced while it is still early enough in the season because the treatment - regular spraying with fungicides - only has marginal success.

But if the infection is from your soil just replacing the plant won't help. So why is your soil so black? What mix did you use to fill the bed with? Do all the rest of your plants look ok? What have you fed them and how often?

Dave

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 1:19PM
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derekaamoore

For my soil I used 1/3 compost, 1/3 peat moss and 1/3 vermiculite. The compost was a mix of mushroom compost and earthworm castings. A couple of days ago I accidently sprayed a concentrated amount of neem oil of some of my plants including the tomato plant so is it possible sun damage caused the blackening?? I also had some blossom end rot 4 days ago on one tomato. I discarded it and added some crushed egg shells to up the calcium. I'm not sure if the rot is connected to whatever is happening to the stem and leaves though. As for my other plants they look fine.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 6:10PM
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carolb_w_fl(zone 9/10)

Home grown broccoli can last a lot longer than a week in the fridge, IMPE. As LoneJack says, the ones @ the stores can be older than that & they keep in my fridge for another week, sometimes more.

I always grab a couple extra produce bags when shopping & store my harvest in those, in the vegetable drawer. I don't usually rinse until ready to use, but I do sprinkle a bit of water over greens to keep them from wilting. Harvest early in the day, too, when plants are @ their perkiest.

    Bookmark     May 22, 2015 at 9:00AM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Once I got more and more into gardening (while I was still working) I didn't always have the time to process and freeze everything right NOW! I discovered Debbie Meyer green bags! They truly keep fruits and veggies twice as long (I'm not selling anything, just love them!) . They are a bit pricey, about 9.00 for 20, but you can wash and re-use them over and over. Sometimes the dollar store has pink bags, but they don't last very long. DM also has brown bread bags that keep French bread good for a week or more! I will usually share a package of the brown bags with the neighbors, cause how many "good" loaves of bread are you going to have open at any one time?

I actually bring my green bags to the grocery store when I have to buy something I don't have in the garden, just to save a plastic tree. Nancy

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 5:59PM
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kikimiwa100

I watched a youtube video and a guy did an experiment on spouting spinach seeds. The conclusion is if you put the seeds in refrigerator half day and take them out for the other half day and keeps doing this process for 4 days, the spinach seeds germinate better than other methods. I had problem germinating my spinach seeds so I followed this process. Now it's spouting after two days of doing so. You will need to put the seeds in wet towel and then put the towel in a zip bag before putting the seeds in your fridge. I hope this will work well with your spinach seeds. I don't know how old my seeds are. I also have seeded my spinach outdoors and there is only 2 or 3 seeds out of 30 looking like spouting after laying in the soil at least one week.

    Bookmark     May 22, 2015 at 10:13AM
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forever_a_newbie(z7/8 VA)

I wish I had seen this thread before. We have given up growing spinach after a few seasons failure. This fall I will try again, especially the wet papertower and refreg method. Thanks everyone

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 12:02PM
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shelma1

Squirrels are eating my unripe strawberries this year. And last year one of my chihuahuas wandered through my garden and helped himself to every ripe cantaloupe.

    Bookmark     May 22, 2015 at 9:45AM
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Tim Givemeenergy

Yes! I have had extensive problems with squirrels on strawberries and tomatoes... The frustrating part is with the tomatoes they wait until peak ripeness (like a day before I pick them)... take them up 45 ft in a pine tree.. take 1 bite and then drop them.. wasteful little SOB's!!!

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 11:03AM
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GardenDan 6a

I once had a similar wilting problem with my tomato plants. It turned out to have been caused by white flies, They are very small winged insects that suck the juice out of the plants on the under side of the leaves.

    Bookmark     May 21, 2015 at 7:04PM Thanked by jennycatoe
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jennycatoe

Thank you GardenDan. I'm going to go check under the leaves and see if there is anything. I can't find any real evidence of voles. I've contacted the Clemson university to see if they can identify the issue and will post if I finally determine anything. My father in law told me he planted 50 tomato plants here about 3 years ago and he lost every one of them to this problem. Others seem to be wilting now.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 10:27AM
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toller1

Forecast yesterday was for a low of 34 and extensive local frosts. I put on a tarp and a heat tape intended to be wrapped around a pipe. It only got down to 43.
I guess that is good, but how incompetent can weathermen be! A wild guess would have been just as good.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 7:50AM
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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

In my experience, weather forecasting is done with possible extremes in mind, especially when it comes to frost. About five years ago we had a popular local forecaster who once predicted temps down to 38F. We had a hard freeze. The reaction from the local gardening (not just vegetable, but EVERYTHING) community was shock, hostility, and even abuse. The guy got his career handed to him on a cart. He left soon after. I think he's up in Denver now, where his unpredicted freezes can be more easily tolerated.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 8:03AM
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forever_a_newbie(z7/8 VA)

It is better to use support. The shoots are tender and fragile. We put the trellis a bit late this year and the pea bed is already sort of messy. Makes it hard to harvest, too

    Bookmark     May 22, 2015 at 6:33PM
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barrie2m_(6a, central PA)

That's why I plant the dwarf varieties. No mess, no material cleanup, for a crop that has a two- three week harvest window. But then I can sympathize with those who have a variety that they believe has better flavor. I plant with tractor drawn planter and always plant twice what I can harvest. I also cultivate with tractor drawn cultivator, but picking is by hand. I prefer not to pick around trellis although I'll admit lifting and moving plants in the picking process often leaves the brittle plants injured. Usually by the second picking I'm pulling plants from the ground. A cumbersome trellis just doesn't fit in my growing routine.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 6:26AM
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bcomplx(z6VA)

I love scarlet runners and grow them somewhere every year. I like to eat the dried beans. Anyway, for hummers you should try a pillar of cypressvine morning glory (Ipomoea quamoclit). Easy to grow, NOT invasive like other morning glories, and the hummers love them. Renees garden, many others have seeds, they would have them at a box store seed rack I bet.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 3:24AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

BComplx - Thanks for that tip. I will look for those too. I haven't seen those on the Hummers List before.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2015 at 4:41AM
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