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ju1234((8 Dallas TX))

While searching this topic, i found the following article. Sounds like my method in bags would be similar to the "white tunnel in the farm"

Anaerobic Composting
By Compost King 13 Comments

Bokashi_Anaerobic CompostingAnaerobic composting or composting without the presence of oxygen has been practiced for centuries. Records indicate that the Chinese are the oldest known civilization to practice this form of composting to fertilize their rice paddies.

In more technical terms, anaerobic composting is composting organic materials, using living anaerobic organisms such as bacteria in an environment that has no oxygen present. This is the same process you will find occurring in nature as peat bogs and marshes.

Unless you happen to have access to a large field of water you are going to have to find another way to create your anaerobic compost pile. While most composting experts will talk about not letting your compost piles get too wet or they will rot, anaerobic composting requires approximately 70% moisture levels in order for it to work properly.
The Standard Compost Pile

You can turn your current compost pile into an anaerobic one quite simply and effectively by adding plenty of water. Yes I know we have spent hours telling you how important it is to maintain moderate to low moisture levels, but with this type of composting you need to remove the oxygen from your compost pile. The water will drive out the oxygen and keep it out if you keep the water level high enough. By covering the pile to help keep in the moisture, you will end up with a slimy mess, which indicates that it is working properly. You should however, be prepared for a very odoriferous compost pile. This is really more suitable to households with larger tracts of land where the aforementioned odoriferous pile can be placed away from the house or the neighbors.
The Submerged Pile

This method of creating anaerobic compost is very similar to that which is has been in use by the Chinese for centuries and involves keeping your compost under water. For this you will need a large tank, plastic pool or tank that is big enough to hold your compost and then be filled with water. As your compost pile decomposes the odors are trapped in the water. While slightly more involved than a standard anaerobic compost pile, your neighbors will certainly appreciate it.
anaerobic composting in a fieldThe Big Bag Theory

You have probably seen this method in use in the local farmers’ fields, this would be the long white bags that lay in the fields over the winter. This version is a little simpler and a lot smaller. You can use a large heavy duty plastic garbage bag. You first layer the bottom of the bag with soil or cured compost, then add your compost and add enough water to make everything moist. Seal the bag so that no air can get in and roll it to get things started and then leave it alone for 6-8 weeks.
No Hole in My Bucket

Off all the different forms of anaerobic composting, the bucket method is perhaps the easiest and least offensive. This is a long term project and will take up to a year to create the compost you are looking for. You simple cut the bottom from a five gallon bucket and plant it a few inches into the ground. You then fill it with your scraps and organic waste, place the lid on it and forget it for a year. Do not open until the year has passed or you will let in more oxygen and ruin the process. As you can see a fair amount of patience is required for this method. At the end of the year you will have perfectly usable humus. All of these forms of anaerobic composting work well, some will produce more compost than others, while at the same time creating a rather smelly situation.

    Bookmark     September 29, 2014 at 7:09PM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Sherm, check the animal control (pound) and at any local feed stores! Nancy

    Bookmark     September 29, 2014 at 8:58PM
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weirdtrev

I think it is about your own level of comfort if this is for personal use. I am sure some people would never do that whereas I would say as long as you clean them to the best of your ability it shouldn't be an issue. I would expect it to be more of a surface contaminant issue, if anything. Meaning that if you think they are contaminated maybe don't grow root crops near them.

    Bookmark     September 24, 2014 at 12:21PM
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ZinZin

Thanks for that.

    Bookmark     September 29, 2014 at 8:05PM
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ju1234((8 Dallas TX))

Are you growing it for seed? Then cover the red all the way with soil. The plant probably needs less water, more sun. I do that with all root vegs to get seed the same season. Cut about an inch below the top, eat the bottom part, replant the top. It will seed the same season.

If you are trying to grow the root part again to get another carrot out of it, I don't think that works. All you will get is hairy rootlets growing from the edge of the carrot.

    Bookmark     September 29, 2014 at 12:22PM
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tcstoehr(8b Canby, OR)

Yes, they're aphids. Common this time of year on cabbage family crops. I've got them on my brussels sprouts and collards too.

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 12:30PM
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Mark(Oregon, Zone 8)

Yeah, that's very common. If the aphids are on the sprouts themselves, you'll have to wash them before eating. I find that soaking the sprouts for an hour or so helps.

As the weather gets colder the aphids will die off but unfortunately they leave behind quite a mess.

-Mark

Ps. Hey tcstoehr, i'm next door to you in Oregon City. Small world!

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 9:57PM
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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

Yes, they can seed. Better to obtain plants the specific colors you want.

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 7:12PM
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pnbrown

Frost doesn't hurt them at all, but there are numerous animals that will eat, or at least gnaw the kernels. The longer they are out the more likely to be discovered.

I take some starting about now and make super-fresh cornbread.

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 12:15PM
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elisa_z5

Sounds good -- like I've got some leeway.
Thanks!

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 2:40PM
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aaaaaaaa(6)

Hi,
Finally, I got about 5 BMs. Now, the new small BMs are turning yellow. What could be the reason? Too much fertilizer, lack of space(because they are growing in pots)??

Thanks
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    Bookmark     August 18, 2008 at 10:15AM
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sundarms74

may be the small BMs are not ripe .they r unpollinated flowers

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 9:11AM
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zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin

Those temperatures don't sound cold enough to make the yardlongs stop blooming. Mine will continue to bloom until night temps get into the 50's (usually the low 50's) at which time they will stop blooming. Yours are probably just in "pause" at the moment, and will resume blooming when the weather warms.

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 2:26AM
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calliope(6)

That makes sense zeedman. I never entertained the issue that they might be self-pollinating, as I have a colony of bees, and they are on my bean plants like paper on a wall. They also visit my corn, even though it's wind pollinated. I might add to others who have mentioned trimming bush beans for a second crop that it is not necessary. All you really need to do it to keep picking the pods as they mature to keep them coming on. Mine are always good for at least two good flushes before they start to get spent. I still sow them in succession so that I can enjoy them and can them from early in the season until the first killing frost. I just picked from my youngest (and last one of the season) batch two days ago and will be good to go for an equally heavy harvest before the cold sets in.

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 12:21AM
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zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin

Bees can pollinate beans - and occasionally cross pollinate them. However, the flowers are mostly self-fertilized before the flower even opens.

Persimmons, your beans have a good pod set, which is the reason new pods stopped forming. Looks like they are close to maturity.

When beans are let go for seed, the leaves too tend to yellow & fall off as the pods get close to maturity. I've noticed though that if the pods are picked in the shelly stage (before they dry) that the plants will sometimes begin putting out new leaves & flowers. This seldom happens if the pods dry on the plant.

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 2:19AM
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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

Let's be careful here. I used to live in 8a (Western Oregon), and I now live in 8b (Central Texas). TOTALLY different. In Texas we have high 90s in the summer, dipping to high 70s at night. In Oregon, we had 90s in the daytime (well, not that often, but sometimes) with temps in the 50s and 60s at night. That will make a world of difference for peas. Peas don't mind heat, as long as it isn't sustained heat.

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 2:18PM
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Mark(Oregon, Zone 8)

Super sugar snap seems to do best for me. It seems that if the peas are not producing during very hot weather, the plants, if keep watered well, do fine. I try to time the pea production to when the cooler weather starts.

And yes, it's likely the temperature difference can be substantial enough to succeed in some areas and fail in others. I sure hope that sharing my experience doesn't encourage anyone to try something for themselves......

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 9:39PM
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WhereIwant2b

It doesn't change what you get, but from decades of experience with horse poop, I can tell you that most weed seeds do not go unscathed through horses except for grass seeds. But a lot of the weed seeds in hay get dropped into areas where the horse eats and into the bedding. And a lot of seeds happily grow around a poop pile left in a field to get picked up there too.
I found if I pick up the manure daily, I get almost no weed growth.
But the unlikelihood of a non-horse person to be that selective about the manure they get means it doesn't matter in the end- you get weeds unless you get the compost pile hot enough.

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 4:00PM
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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

I get some partially rotted horse manure that has quite a bit of hay in it...no wood shavings. Yes, I get some clover seedlings sometimes....not weeds. I work it into many areas in the late summer or fall. I do avoid lettuce and spinach areas and also lima beans, sweetpotatoes, and melons. The reason for avoiding melons and sweetpotatoes is to cut down on fungal diseases. For limas...it makes them grow too big and bushy and delays bean bearing.

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 7:57PM
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tn_gardening

Another option is to put your coop bedding on top of your garden and allow it to decompose over the winter (don't till). Then in the spring, you simply plant in the soil underneath the un-decomposed wood chips and leave the chips on top for mulch.

    Bookmark     September 24, 2014 at 10:46AM
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tracydr(9b)

Since the coop bedding is a combination of manure and wood shavings, and well aged if you only muck once a year, I would put it straight onto the garden, till it in. In the spring it will be well decomposed.
I've actually side dressed things like corn with this stuff straight from the coop, in a thin layer and had great success. I wouldn't use it on legumes and would probably avoid putting it on greens until it's completely decomposed just due to the nitrogen and bacteria issues.

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 2:22PM
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elisa_z5

bart, how did you control them? (the voles)

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 6:52AM
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tracydr(9b)

Zones have nothing to do with average first and last frosts or summertime weather. They are simply based on the coldest temperatures seen in that area. For example, some of the Pacific Northwest is in zone 8, which is the same zone as parts of Florida. Obviously, the climate is far different in the PNW as in Florida.

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 12:01PM
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happybana(6A)

One of my tomatillos has grown, in a 5-gallon fabric container, into a beautiful little tree. The other, while it has tons of blossoms (which are just starting to dry up, so I'm not 100% sure if they'll fruit yet) is scraggly and viney. I'm thinking about moving the tall lovely one inside as a houseplant, but was worried about separating them since I had heard they weren't self-fertile (which I thought was odd since they were quite clearly in possession of both male and female parts). This has given me a bit of hope that I'll be able to take this lovely thing inside, put it in my ridiculously sunny bedroom in front of the full-length window (and maybe give myself a little extra privacy in the process) and possibly still get some fruits. Either way, it's such a pretty plant I think I'll be happy.

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 1:25PM
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Jonagold

Tomatillos are easy to grow, They like warm weather. Mine usually get about 1/3rd the size of my tomato plants. I give them about 5 feet between plants and just let them grow with no support. I planted Tamayo R hybrid variety this year. The fruits were very large and the plants seemed less aggressive. They were wonderful. Almost 150 lbs from 4 plants so far with one more picking before the end of season. I will be planting this variety again and recommend it.

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 8:50PM
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naturegirl_2007 5B SW Michigan(5B SW Michigan)

I mixed older pea, cat grass (wheat), radish, and a few other types of brassica seeds together and scattered them over a bed, raked over it, and called them my fall cover crop. They will all grow in cool fall weather but the extreme winter temps will kill them. In the meantime they will keep weeds down, hold on to nutrients in the soil so they don't leach downward, add some organic material to the soil, and maybe the peas will even add some extra nitrogen if they get to grow long enough. In the spring I'll just turn the area over and be ready to plant....hopefully without the weeds that often come in through the fall and winter.

    Bookmark     September 25, 2014 at 8:54PM
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Deeby

All great replies, thanks !

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 1:14PM
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