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naturegirl_2007 5B SW Michigan(5B SW Michigan)

Thanks for the reminder that fall sowing times are coming up (or here for many crops).

Last winter was my first one with very low tech low tunnels. The extreme weather and heavy snowfall completely buried my two foot chicken wire fencing and left no sign of the covered tunnel area. When the snow finally melted, the tunnels were flat on the ground. I figured the lettuce and spinach grown to a small size in the fall were goners. Turned out the tunnel wires had been pushed several inches into the ground by the snow load and when I pulled them back up the crops were still fine underneath. I was amazed. We ate very early salads in spite of a late spring. Definitely going to repeat the fall sowings this year.

And I'll be checking the seed box for varieties recommended by JJS. Can't remember the varieties used last year. Maybe I have the info in my garden notes...maybe not...sometimes I neglect to write things down and then am sorry later.

    Bookmark     August 9, 2014 at 2:09PM
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nc_crn

It happens a bit more than one would suspect.

It usually grows an ugly, small, mostly undeveloped cob with spotty grain fill.

Like noted above, they tend to show up on tiller ears.

The wild ancestors of corn (ie teosinte) have their male + female parts all together (much like many grains). Domestication of crops occasionally shows some signs of their genetic ancestors.

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 7:12PM
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gltrap54

Thanks folks! Interesting stuff nc-crn...... i see a lot of this in new strains of super hot peppers in the form of pod variation.........

    Bookmark     August 9, 2014 at 1:52PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

"I thought being "heirloom" meant it wouldn't cross with other plants."

Heirlooms are open pollinated. They will come true from seed as long as you prevent them from cross pollinating.

Pepper flowers are self pollinating and do not need insects. The flowers just have to be wiggled/jiggled/vibrated/moved around in some way (such as getting blown around in the wind) for them to set fruit. Insects do pollinate the flowers but they are not needed and are not wanted when you plan on saving seed. That's why isolation cages are recommended to prevent insects from cross pollinating. Bagging individual blooms will also work.

It's possible that some of your saved seeds will come true. But are you willing to go through the process of starting the seeds, tending the seedlings, transplanting, waiting for the plants to set fruit, and all this just to bite into a pepper that sets your mouth on fire? If it were me I'd start with fresh seed.

As for why the first ones you picked weren't hot, I oftentimes have hot peppers that are sweet or mild early in the season (such as my serranos this year). Especially if I pick them while still small. I attribute it to the cooler weather and the plants being young. But they soon correct themselves.

Rodney

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 11:04AM
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ditnc(7 NC)

Thanks for the replies. And Rodney, I appreciate the tutorial on pollination, it's exactly what I needed to know. What an interesting experience, but yes, you're right...a lot of time and effort put into a pepper plant which I can't use so out with those seeds. I wish these were tasty peppers; they're not, but they sure are pretty. Lesson learned!

    Bookmark     August 9, 2014 at 9:58AM
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lucillle

I think a courteous way for a guest to handle this is to admire the tomatoes 'Your tomatoes are so pretty, they must take a lot of work to grow'.
That leaves the door open, if there is an excess, and it is an unwanted excess, the hostess can offer, if nothing is said about an offer the guest has, perfectly appropriately, given a compliment.

Dealing with someone who asks, a simple 'no' is always good, or just say your are fixing to use them in a sauce and salsa recipe.

    Bookmark     August 9, 2014 at 7:04AM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

Funny, I'm always thrilled when someone admires and desires my hard-grown produce. I also have no problem saying no if that's what I want to say.

    Bookmark     August 9, 2014 at 9:58AM
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mdfarmer

I'm not sure about the black walnut situation, but I'm in MD just south of the PA line and everyone in my area is experiencing tomato disease. I posted something about this in the Market Grower forum. I've been spraying fungicides since I put the transplants in the ground, but my tomatoes are still looking pretty bad. It's much worse than last summer.

I wish I had succession planted like Planatus did, but never got around to it. I do have some tomato transplants that were supposed to get planted in my high tunnel weeks ago for a fall harvest, but I'm behind on that. I've up-potted them a few times and they are very healthy, so I may still plant them.

I think I've got blight and septoria leaf spot in my field. Last week I tore out some of my worst plants. I do have one blight-resistant variety of tomato, "Defiant", which is definitely faring better than the others.

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 1:04PM
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john9001(SW, PA, 6)

I lost all my tomato plants this year, I think it is blight.

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 10:11PM
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glib(5.5)

I have experience with chicories (salad, Catalonia, various radicchio). Some plants bolt in the first year, but it is a small minority here (like, 2%). endive is chicorium intibus.

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 9:11PM
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JarredO

Thanks for the follow-ups. I'm still not certain, but some are what you mentioned, a gynoecious cucumber... I have a couple of vines that are completely female, some completely male, and a few that are mixed... its very confusing. I checked the leftover seeds, but they all look completely identical to me... but it was interesting to learn of all these different types of cucumber plants.

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 3:51AM
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yolos - z 7b/8a Ga.

I grew some Persian Cucumbers, Baby from Botanical Interests. They are parthenocarpic, and are genoecious but do not require a pollinator or pollination to set fruit. All female flowers, no male flowers. Every leaf node contained a female flower that produced a good cucumber.

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 7:56PM
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ltilton

Would you lay down mulch over them?

    Bookmark     April 5, 2014 at 6:22PM
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Kath1948(6B?)

So many options....so I'm wondering about where I live; S.E, AK.
Usually the potatoes sprout, right where they are ( in a bin, waiting to be cooked ), but way too early...like now. Some have very long sprouts, so is it too late to store them? I have potatoes growing now, so I'm also wondering if I can just leave some in the ground, if after digging up what I want to harvest, maybe covering the leavers with straw? They are not all that deep in the ground. We get freezes but not like the rest of AK. As a kid, I seem to remember my mom wrapping potatoes separately with news paper. and placing on the shelves down in the earthen cellar. .... I have no cellar but how about newspaper? As you can see, I"m undecided.

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 5:46PM
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Tigrelily

I, too, bought a Paradise melon at Walmart, in Florida. Only saw them there once.

I found pictures of the melon, with the PLU code sticker on them. I looked it up and this is what I found:

http://www.plucodes.com/iknowproduce.aspx?plu=3289

Perhaps this will help with your search for seeds. I might try to find them too. The melon was pretty good and easy to remove the rind.

Here is a link that might be useful: PLU codes

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 12:12PM
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farmerdill

If it is indeed Sprite, it is available fron Clifton Seeds. Sprite is an Oriental crisp melon. Folks tend to either love or hate it. However many growers market several types of melons under thier trademark.

Here is a link that might be useful: Sprite melon

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 1:45PM
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ltilton

Well, my pole beans aren't doing so well, and I suspect one reason might be that I overcrowded them on the trellis. So that might not work out too well.

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 1:34PM
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drscottr(7)

Will try the soap on a section of the patch. Last year my august corn was ruined by 1000's of the bugs.

Thanks

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 7:41AM
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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

I have placed footies [stretchable nylons] over ears to keep birds out.

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 12:26PM
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farmerdill

Good article, but it is for oil soybeans not edamame. Tohya also gets a bout 12-18 inches at maturity.

    Bookmark     August 7, 2014 at 4:07PM
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blueswimmer68

Thanks for the information! All I need is two weeks so it looks like I might make it home in time to harvest them.

Dig dirt- according to Southern Exposure, Moon Cake is unusually tall and 5-6 feet is normal. They seem really healthy.

I can't wait for steamed edamame and a beer!

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 12:07PM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

Assuming fire ants can be baited like many ants (and I believe y'all who live with them), I'd think a boric acid bait would be safe around the garden (underground, etc). It does a great job of killing ants, but you would want them to take it in a baited form to carry it where it's most needed. That won't be immediate kill, but with my ant problems it's usually within a week that they are all dead.

I got stung by a couple of Asian Needle Ants just this week, so I'm totally checking out y'all's suggestions here for what to put on ant stings. Ow!! Those suckers look completely harmless, but they are really painful! (They eat termites, though, so I'm not killing that little nest).

    Bookmark     August 7, 2014 at 8:37PM
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chas045(7b)

rhizo_1. I take issue with your dismissive attitude to my post since you seem to essentially agree with me. It appears that you are not listening to your own opinions. My best guess to your concern with my post being silly is its remark about needing medical care but then you go on about gardening with extreme care etc. It doesn't sound like you would suggest standing on a fire ant nest and digging a bunch of holes now would you?

I will admit that I was attempting to go strong on the pain etc. because (as no one seems to have noted) I was suggesting that the OP probably had other than fire ants. However, it appears that I was probably more correct than I expected. I am appending a partial link from Alergist on Normal Reaction to fire ants. Preceding this is a description of the more dangerous allergic responses.

What is a normal reaction to a fire ant sting, and how is it treated?

The severity of a fire ant sting reaction varies from person to person. One of the main differences between fire ants and other insects is that a usual sting event consists of multiple fire ants stinging. This is because when a fire ant mound is disturbed hundreds to thousands of fire ants respond. In addition, each ant can sting repeatedly. Each ant will bite and hold on with its mandibles (jaw) and sting several times. If not removed, this results in a little semi-circular pattern of stings. Since fire ants hold on with their mandibles, they often have to be pulled off individually and are not easily brushed off when they are stinging.

Almost all people stung by fire ants develop an itchy, localized hive or lump at the sting site, which usually subsides within 30 to 60 minutes. This is followed by a small blister within four hours. This usually appears to become filled with pus-like material by eight to 24 hours. However, what is seen is really dead tissue, and the blister has little chance of being infected unless it is opened. When healed, these lesions may leave scars.

A large local reaction can occur. This will result in swelling that extends beyond the sting site. For example, a sting on the forearm could result in the entire arm swelling. Although alarming in appearance, this condition is often treated the same as a normal reaction. An unusually painful or very large local reaction may need medical attention. Because this condition may persist for two to three days, antihistamines and corticosteroids are sometimes prescribed to lessen the discomfort.

    Bookmark     August 8, 2014 at 9:33AM
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loribee2(CA 9)

Don't forget that your donation is tax deductible! My food bank weighs my produce and gives me a receipt. Of course, determining the amount of the deduction is the real challenge. Here is some information from TurboTax on the subject, for those who are curious.

Here is a link that might be useful: Turbo Tax on Food Donations

    Bookmark     August 1, 2014 at 12:04AM
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blrhudugi

Monmouth Master Gardeners sponsored by Rutgers Extension has something very similar to what hothabaneroLady posted. We have a Plant a Row for the Hungry (called the PAR garden). All the Master Gardener interns participate in planting and maintaining the garden. All the produce is donated to the local food banks.

Last year, the interns grew 3400 lbs for this cause - way to go Master Gardeners. This year, the produce hasn't been that bountiful, still we have probably crossed a 1000 lbs. so far.

And like mentioned above, it does not have to be the large quantities, you can donate your extra tomatoes or beans. They appreciate every bit.

Great cause, and thanks for the shout out.

    Bookmark     August 7, 2014 at 10:30PM
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planatus(6)

I consider basil to be a pretty short-term crop and start seeds three times during the growing season. I'm just ready to set out the last ones now.

I think the small-leaf varieties hold better in the garden. In your situation, I'd look at the globe basils, which are a great fit in raised beds.

This year my top performer has been Opal purple basil. The spring plants are still looking good, no so for the green Genovese.

    Bookmark     August 7, 2014 at 8:33AM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Actually, I think I'll start a few to go through fall. We're usually still going strong through November. NT

    Bookmark     August 7, 2014 at 8:39PM
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