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Aaron .

@rina_ Because they will overcrowd, The rest will go outside

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

How deep is that soil? It looks like there would have been room for much deeper soil in the tray so why so little?

Dave

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slimiest_okra

IME, the tricky part about starting any peas or brassicas indoors is that they are much less frost-tolerant than direct-seeded plants. Kale, one of the hardiest crops, will get zinged by even a light frost if you start it indoors and put it outside. Hardening off against wind and sun does not entirely help. You need to harden them to cold by exposing them to several cool nights (35 to 40 degrees F) in a row. Just something to think about for next year if you decide to go with transplants.

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Peter (6b SE NY)

The peas have started sprouting! Not like crazy, but I have a few sprouts peeking out. I got the trellis up today.

I put my brassicas I transplanted under cover at night. I also put out my artichokes, and have them under cover also. Got a lot going now! Garlic, Leeks, Onions, Peas, Broccoli, Cabbage, Potatoes, Beets and Lettuce all sown or transplanted.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Then yes, I'd say it is far too early to be seeing growth. Down here in Arkansas mine are just now kicking back into gear this past week - both the hard necks and the soft necks.

Dave

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glib(5.5)

in Michigan the hard necks are three inches tall. so it should be any day now. But it depends also on how late you planted them in Fall. The earlier they were planted, the earlier they emerge.

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grendelsdad

OK, I'll leave them be. Sorry -- I should not have used the word "dispose" ! I was not planning to harm them -- just wondering if there was a way to move them safely. But it seems not, so I will leave them in peace and hope one day they return the favor to my lettuce. :)

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

<and hope one day they return the favor to my lettuce. >

Welll, that might be expecting just a bit too much. :)

Dave

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Weeds are a fact of life in gardening. You'll have them either way. :) However wasting good, proven-to-be-productive soil would be awfully difficult for the gardener in me to do so yeah I definitely use it. As you move the soil many of the clumps of weeds should be easy to pick out and toss.

Dave

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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

Weeds are self-seeding, so if you do a decent job weeding this year, next year will probably be easier. If the seeds are getting blown in, putting in new soil isn't going to help in the long run. If you don't do decent weeding, it's going to end up filled with weeds as well. The weeds aren't a property of the soil. They've been added to it. If it works, use it.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Sure you can. No reason not to.

Dave

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gumby_ct(CT it says Z5)

I grow cukes up by tying a string (using jute twine) to the seedlings stem and running the string up to a crossbeam I have screwed to my bed frames. This holds even during the hurricane winds CT has at the end of the growing season when plants are loaded with their fruits.

It works so well I also tie up any other vines as well as tomatoes which can be heavy during Aug. & Sep. and works much better than those useless tomato cages.

I do use those cages for peppers and eggplants.

While any string or wire will work jute twine is compostable yet holds for the the growing season. Even if you don't compost the fall cleanup plants it makes cleanup easier since the plants can be quite twisted around the string. I would not use something you think can be re-used each year.

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Ohiofem(6a Ohio)

I actually use those trifold tomato cages to trellis my container cucumbers. This one works perfectly in a large container for four to six plants.

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slimiest_okra

Thanks Dave. Good to know that BiotaMax has a positive reputation. It's something like $6 for a quarter-acre, so not too bad. I have limited garden area and would like to try minimizing the occurrence of Verticillium wilt in eggplants and peppers.

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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

I believe that BiotaMax needs to be reapplied every week to thirty days, while RootShield suggests every 6-8 weeks. RS can also be applied in tank mixes with almost anything, including fungicides. That's extremely important for commercial applicators.

BM is not OMRI certified, RootShield is. That's also extremely important to certified commercial growers, not so much for back yard growers.

RS promotes soil borne disease protection as its primary purpose. It can be used on seeds, cuttings, in any kinds of growing medium including mist. It can be applied through fertigation and misting systems at the same time as soluble fertilizers.

I really don't think that the two products can be considered the same, so comparing the price alone doesn't make sense.

Click HERE for information about RootShield

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albert_135(Sunset 2 or 3)

Mexibelle(?) perhaps? A hybrid that looks like a common red bell pepper but develops ''hot'' when left on the bush.

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Miss_Moose (Winnipeg, Canda. Zone 2)

I dunno but that's pretty neat!

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rook81styles

jnj, I have clay soil, so probably retains moisture well, but I've read that seeds and seedlings need constantly moist soil. I know a less frequent deep watering encourages stronger root growth, but I thought that was once they're well-established. I watered Friday afternoon and am out of town until Tuesday evening, so I have a friend watering either this evening and tomorrow evening, or just once tomorrow afternoon. Supposed to get some rain Tuesday morning. Sounds like you think they'd be fine without water from Friday til Tuesday.

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rook81styles

Thanks again for the input vgkg. The info I got says the plots are rented 3/15 through 10/31 and that all plots will "be cleared of any and all debris/material by October 31st." It also says parks & rec is responsible for tilling at beginning & end of the growing season. Yeah, so that along with delaying the opening a couple weeks and not having water available due to a water line break, and then the 15x15 plots actually being more like 13.5x14, it's not a perfect situation, but my options are limited living in a townhouse.

Regarding carrots, I was planning have a total of nine 3' rows stagger-planted over a period of about 2 months, and then replant the rows throughout the summer as I harvest them. I guess I'll stick with that plan and just harvest all remaining on 10/31 Regardless of size. I'll also try to give my other fall crops a bit more time to mature by 10/31.

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garybeaumont_gw(TX 9A)

Your beds look good. You might consider growing bush beans if you plant them within the next couple of weeks. They do well in your area. You could plant purple hull peas in May. They are one of the few plants that tolerate the hot Texas summer. If is probably too late to plant potatoes. The hot weather will be here in less than 60 days.

Just remember that in Texas we really have 2 short growing seasons, spring and fall. Many people plant tomatoes in very early spring and plant another crop of transplants in July for a fall crop of tomatoes.

Bell peppers are a challenge but sweet banana peppers and hot peppers are easier to grow. Bell peppers tend to make early in summer and then just sit there until the fall when they will put on another crop.

Square foot gardening tends to put plants too close together for Texas gardens. As you may know tomatoes can get over 8 feet when put in cages. In raised beds you do plant things closer together but if you are not careful you can have a grown up "jungle" Plants need to have air circulation with the humidity that we have.

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Tracy West

Eggplant,hot peppers,okra,corn,basil,armenian cucumbers,long beans,Lima beans and cowpeas will all do well for your summer heat. Amaranth,too.

The hot peppers may not fruit until it cools a little but will survive the summer and be ready to go.

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Peter (6b SE NY)

I decided to grow Kennebec this year, they are known as a good all around reliable variety. I planted them today, in a similar climate to yours (also 6b). (Potato Garden where I bought them recommends planting no earlier than 2 weeks before last frost date... the foliage can be killed by frost.) I grew potatoes last year, and they are not a particularly difficult crop to grow, relatively speaking.


http://www.potatogarden.com/2015PotatoGarden.pdf

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Ohiofem(6a Ohio)

I've found red potatoes the most productive with Russian Banana fingerlings a close second. But I like russets, and they are kind of stingy. I grow them all.

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balloonflower(5b Denver CO)

I would advise against that unless your night temps will remain over 50. Basil is a heat lover, and lower temps than 50 will lead to stunting that it may not bounce back from. And for me, basil germinates in three to five days.

For me, I'm a zone behind you and for the most part basil doesn't go in until the end of May. I do some earlier, but in an Earthbox that is in a small, enclosed (6') townhome backyard next to the brick. It creates enough microclimate for the basil to thrive, and can be brought inside if we get a cold snap.

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Peter (6b SE NY)

Yeah I know it is far from ideal. I was just going to try a very small patch. Last year though I transplanted basil way too soon and it was damaged a bit but bounced back no problem.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

I wouldn't. Even in my zone I don't plant peppers out until mid-May as they prefer much warmer soil temps than tomatoes. It is far too easy to end up with stunted growth, lower yields, and BER - a common results often discussed on the Peppers forum.

Even then I always check the actual soil temps before transplanting them and make sure it is at least 65 degrees. Sometimes that means waiting and transplanting them into larger containers indoors to tide them over.

Dave

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balloonflower(5b Denver CO)

If you're going to try now, I would use black plastic to make sure the soil temp stays up, and consider water walls to make mini greenhouses for them. If not, I would just put in larger pots. I don't plant my peppers until May, even with water walls.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

I'd contact them and ask why. The only reason I can think of is compost can have adequate water retention issues to get the crowns established or that you don't feed just transplanted crowns until they show signs of growth and that would only explain it if they are assuming the compost is nutrient rich - which it isn't.

But given all the time (no it isn't soil, compost becomes humus not soil) since you made the bed, personally I wouldn't worry about planting them in it. I also would not count on only compost to provide enough nutrients for them once they do show growth.

Dave

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weedyacres

I emailed Nourse and they said 2 things:

  1. If not fully composted, there could be some viable seeds that could sprout and compete with the asparagus. So keep it well weeded.
  2. Unfinished compost could burn the roots. I could try planting pansies to test this if I wanted.

After we dumped the soil + compost last summer, we had a large crop of volunteer canteloupe, from the seeds in the compost. This is definitely more of a cold compost than a hot compost, and there was a lot of older "soil" (don't know the exact composition of the raised beds that we transplanted and mixed with the compost). And it looks and feels pretty done: no remnants of the origins except a few nut hulls and the odd eggshell.

Given the above, plus the fact that I've got the crowns and need to get them in the ground, I went ahead and planted them. When I dug the trenches, I mixed in some of the native clay soil with the topping, so hopefully that will help. I'll be vigilant with the weeds and hopefully will start to see some ferns in a few weeks.

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