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gumby_ct(CT it says Z5)

I'm gonna add water bug to the roach guess but I think water bugs will come out in the daylight were roaches scatter when the lights come on.

The first time I saw a roach was at Lackland Air Force Base, TX - it was rather large and extremely fast. They say everything is bigger in TX.

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zzackey(8b GA)

That's not it either. I just googled it. What a creepy looking bug that is!

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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

My extension service says blossom drop in beans is from heat. But beans are exquisitely sensitive to conditions during fruit set. Heat, humidity, water stress, etc. All of those will cause blossom drop.

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drscottr(7)

Farmerdill,

I suspect that pH might be the issue then. The patch was until recently the location of a pine tree. The needles may have caused a low pH. I'll do a soil test. Thanks.

Scott

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jctsai8b(8B)

You may use 10 to 1 diluted urine for fertilizer too, it works pretty good for me, no more chemical fertilizer.

This post was edited by JCTsai on Sat, Jan 10, 15 at 15:39

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jctsai8b(8B)

use Kitchen scraps, urine, coffee ground, liquid grass clipping may be good enough for your vegetables

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angelmat37

I skimmed most of the comments, but it is not all about wood chips. Most people in my area have tried it but have not incorporated all what Paul said or followed what he said. I live in a state with plenty of trees and wood chips and with no effort a tiny seed falls and by summer you have a four foot tree. It is interesting to do what he says first, "observe," He also has chickens that are fed from his garden waste and veggies they provide the rich compost in the area where they walk around. This compost is key for planting in soil not wood chips.

We have friends who have not seen the video and on their own have begun doing what Paul has done. Their garden is amazing. Growing grapes that can't be grown in our area. Fruit trees growing faster then expected and everything tastes so good. We just started but we are amazed. There is a four hour version of Back to Eden that a private group of people made where Paul gives more clear instruction. Three things people do. They till the soil, make raised beds and don't have enough composite soil or a way to continue producing composted soil. These things are very important. Providing compost through chickens, rabbits or horse manure. Paul explains in more detail in the four hour version. The couple who don't know the method are using rabbit manure and I have never seen such a garden and they are providing covering. The veggies I have tasted so far are full of water and tasted so good that I can't eat a regular cucumber from the store, garlic, potato or lettuce. I live on the opposite side of the country from Paul and a covering works. It does not ruin anything. Paul was asked," What about termites." His answer, "Great it helps decompose the wood." Don't till your soil or try raised beds and just follow what he did. Green houses are great, but they must have a few panels open for real sunlight. He goes into detail of how he grew crops next to crops to protect them. Very interesting. My friends through observation found the same thing works for them and they again as I said have not watched Back to Eden.

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William O'Dell

I started my 8,000 sq. ft. BTE garden 12 months ago and absolutely love it. The effort involved is just a fraction of a standard garden. I started my BTE for many reasons mostly to reduce the work load as I am now 67 and wanted to ease my burden for future years. I live in North Central Florida and like most of Florida it is all sand. I started with 5, 000 sq. ft. using paper and four to six inches of quality wood chips, the balance of the garden has 6 inches of oak leaves and 6 inches of wood chips. Both methods are doing great especially in the leave wood chip areas. I am 100% organic so this was right down my alley. Since starting a year ago I have added more wood chips 2 to 3 times as they are breaking down fast. Key is to keep them damp as possible and promote good fungal activity. Weeding is almost a thing of the past. Like Paul, I maintain my whole garden with a single garden rake. Each and every month it just keeps getting better. I use fish emulsion, Mushroom Fungi and compost tea on my garden every two to three weeks. Never had a over water problem to date even with 10 inches of rain in three days, however it can still go dry with the sand as time goes by this will change as well. It rained every day for over 30 days and the garden survived just fine. Plant root systems are abundant and far reaching both lateral and deep. I had huge Candy onions for the first time last spring. Some approached two pounds. I am starting my Fall garden now and am looking forward to the Fall and Winter growing season. I have an abundance of trees and the leaves make a great source to re-mineralize the garden and for adding more organic material. I grow Blue Berries and Black Berries side beside with all sorts of vegetables. My Ph has balanced close to 6.8 to 7.0. all across the garden. I started with 250 cubic yards of quality wood chips and have about 6 full loads left to use as needed. This whole process is about building a living soil that will support abundant growing each and every season. I am a firm believer in this method as the results speak to the validity and truth of the method. My second stage to this process is to build a Chicken operation that will support 30 chickens to give me a full self sustaining garden. Paul has the right idea about chickens, they do make great garden soil if you follow what he actually practices.

Best Regards

Bill

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nature_gardener

Summer dance is the best and most productive cucumber I have ever grown. Have been growing it for several years. We have very hot and humid weather and it likes a little afternoon shade. I get many pounds of cucumbers from one plant and requires no pollinator. I could only get the seed from pine tree seed for several years, but now others are offering it. You can let the fruit get very large and it is still good. zone 8 La.

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daniel_nyc(7a)

My wife’s favorite cucumbers last year, were: Sweeter Yet and Straight Eight.

Mine was Sweet Slice.

I don’t know about Summer Dance.

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cybrczch(5)

I grow shallots from seed - usually Ambition hybrid. I start them in January/February (zone 5) indoors, then plant them outside the same time I'd plant onion sets (April). If I'm lazy, I'll leave the plants in bunches of 3-4, if I'm not I'll plant them singly. Harvest mid-summer, the bulbs are usually 2 inches long and about 1 inch in diameter. If I have any that survive the winter (as in they didn't end up in my stomach), I will plant them in the spring. These plants will usually send up a flower spike during the growing season, and give 1-2 large bulbs. Ambition doesn't make a lot of offsets, just bigger ones. I have tried planting bulbs in the fall, but they didn't survive the winter well.

EDIT to add: I've never grown the traditional french shallots or any other kind, so I don't know how they divide, if they give a lot of offsets or not.

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bcomplx(z6VA)

I get 2-3 rounded shallots from Ambition and other seed-sown varieties, but they are nicer with very little bolting compared to vegetatively propagated ones. They store 10 months or more.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Looks like Cercospora leaf spot. I just live with it. It comes and goes and mostly affects old leaves ime and in my garden seems to prefer the red chard. If it's too bad I just remove the worst leaves.

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bcomplx(z6VA)

Flora is right, I think. Pull off the affected leaves and the plants will come back strong if it doesn't rain all the time.

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valbell82

I wound up clipping off the leaves and then I noticed a garden with squash that had powder like mine on the leaves and there was plenty of zucchini so next time I will leave it alone!

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ZachS. z5 Littleton, CO

No matter what you do or don't do, PM is something that shows up each and every year on your squash and cucumber plants in late summer. Its pretty much just a fact of gardening. Treat or don't treat, depends on if you've had your fill of zukes yet or not (by September I most definitely have lol). I usually just let it go at this point in the year. Course here we can expect snow in 2 weeks anyways and that will kill off any squash plants regardless.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Yes, I read that. I take issue with 'all you can eat' - unless a couple of servings is all you can eat. And it depends very much on your climate. Peas don't start cropping until June in mine. They take up space for 4 months and have a low yield. They are followed by winter brassicas.

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glib(5.5)

Peas are productive only in zone 9 in winter, when you can get 6 months in the ground before planting summer crops. Even then, they do not hold a candle to numerous brassica, carrots or chard.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

All I did was type "how long it takes watermelon to mature from pollination" in the search bar and then click on "Vegetable gardening forum" in the drop down menu.

But honestly the plant tendrils and seed leaf tells you when to harvest it regardless of when the post was made. Lots of discussions here about when to harvest them.

Dave

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galinas(5B)

I wish I have tendrils and seed leaf) The groundhog decided, that if it can't get to the fruit that is too big for it to get through(but it left teeth marks on it) the next best thing is to chew on what is tender and soft - on all three of my watermelon fruit) Anyway, we picked one today - it was ready and sweet). Thanks again, everybody!

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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

I seem to get some at the end of each season. Not sure, but it seems that the more humid areas get it earlier.

I do make sure I don't compost the diseased plants. They go out to the far field compost pile! (diseased plants, flowering weeds, morning glories, roses). Of course, I'm a lazy composter and we don't get hard freezes, so tings don't really get killed by freezing. Nancy

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Humsi(USDA 9b/10a Sunset 23 SoCal)

Like Peter, PM is the bane of my existence every year without fail. Hot, little/no rain in the summer, foggy mornings to make sure leaves are nice and damp before they go into the afternoon heat, no freezing to kill it off over the winter, and lots of wind to spread it around.

I've gotten to the point that I just have replacement seedlings ready for things like squash and cukes that are guaranteed to get it, pull when the PM is to the point they stop producing and replace with my starts. The milk or baking soda concoctions don't do much, and I really don't want to be spraying copper or serenade constantly as we garden all year round here. I just figure it into my gardening plan and try to be prepared.

Oh, nancyjane, I never used to compost PM vegetation either, but I finally figured I'm getting it every year regardless and I hated throwing away all that potential compost. Into the compost it goes.

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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

Thanks, tishtoshnm. My soil is over caliche, so it is basically full of free lime. My vinegar test results in a nice "head" of foam! That's a good CSU report, and makes the important point that if you have free lime, you ain't gonna get there, with regard to acid loving plants. I think the point about adding loads of organic material is that you eventually just displace a lot of the free lime. So it's still there, but the concentration is lower. Now, as I said, if you have alkaline water, as do I, you're just alkalizing the soil every time you water. So acidification becomes a losing proposition.

As to rainwater collection, that's a great idea, except the OP says that he/she hardly gets any rainwater. So it's a good idea in principle, but maybe not in practice.

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Marianne W (zone 10A)

I've been thinking about this for a while--I have a grasp on your conditions. My soil is alkiline clay & caliche, my water is 8.5 ph and I've got hard water, but not as hard as yours and about 6 inches of rain a year. So, yeah, makes sense.

One big thing that will help is leeching your garden. The most effective way is with rain water--it will pick up more of the minerals and alkalinity than your well water will. So, if I were in your position, I'd run gutters along my roof eaves and then connect the downspouts to hoses. I'd run a temporary hose system from the rain gutters out to the GH and flood it every time it rains. No pumping needed, no permanent install, no storage and you'd get enough water to leech with.

Not sure about affordable water treatment systems for your greenhouse. It will depend on what your test results say. But, I'd look into those portable water treatment systems designed for villages in the third world, I'll Google around to see if I find any that are cheap solar distillers.

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Helen Zone 6 Ohio

I'll keep an eye on them. One vine seems to be dying. Others are still green, as are the pumpkins. I have them in several locations so they are not ripening at the same time. The dying vine has some powdering appearance to it so I guess that is some kind of blight.

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elisa_z5

The powdering appearance is probably powdery mildew -- very common in squash family plants this time of year, and will not affect your pumpkins. Agree with others here that leaving them on the vine is best as long as they are not in danger -- you could put them up off the ground on an inverted plate or some such to protect from burrowing insects, and/or throw some netting over them to protect from deer.

When you harvest, the best storage conditions are cool and DRY, so beware of a humid basement or a garage with windows that are open to morning fog. An unheated bedroom is often suggested (we should all be so lucky to have big houses with extra bedrooms!), but it gives you an idea. I put mine on shelves in an area away from the heat of the kitchen.

Also, as others have mentioned, once fully ripe and cured in the sun for a week or two, they will last for months, even into spring, so lasting until late October will be a cinch.

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glib(5.5)

Mais o menos. I could speak english at work, and that held me back. My wife is pretty good, and my daughter went to school and became fluent. I miss pedaling to work (not that I could get a car easily. The bureaucracy there is atrocious), and breakfasts with two bananas, two papayas, two guavas and a cup of coffee.

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jessekimmerling

I'm in the same boat. I'm planning my garden for a location at sea level in Ecuador. I'm in the seed buying stage, so I can't comment about results. I'm attempting about 10 types of peppers, amaranth, thai long beans, asian eggplant, a couple tomatoes that will probably struggle, thai basil, cilantro. Everything else I'll buy in Ecuador from local farmers... lemon, orange, papaya, lemon grass, mint.

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