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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Sherm, in Massachusetts, we do get down below zero here but not all that often. Last winter we were in the single digits more than we usually are. The average number of days we fall below freezing in a year, is 98 days. Compared to an average of 12 days at 90 degrees or above. Although, that number seems low to me.

I would not have thought they could keep chickens in an unheated space in Alaska. Does that mean an outdoor shed, with no insulation and nothing for a heat source, I wonder?

    Bookmark     July 14, 2014 at 11:19AM
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catherinet(5 IN)

Sherm........most of them quit laying much after about 9 years. I have one that laid a couple eggs last year.
No, I never used supplemental lighting. I figured they needed the break. I have the feeling they wouldn't have lived as long, had I used extra lighting.
Also, I'll bet those hens who get extra lighting have more ovary problems later on. Ovarian cancer is pretty common (along with the eggs going into the abdominal cavity, etc.) among hens, since they get worked so much!
My easter-eggers seemed to be the most prolific layers. I sure do miss those home-grown eggs! I don't know if I will get more hens. I'm 64 and getting tired. :)

    Bookmark     July 14, 2014 at 12:53PM
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mdfarmer

Cucumber and zucchini plants tend to get diseased after a few weeks of production, no matter what you do. Both are susceptible to mildew, cucumbers will get bacterial wilt from cucumber beetles, zucchini can get attacked by vine borers. You can check the base of your zucchini plants for holes and an orange frass. Dig inside and you'll find the larvae.

I succession plant every 2-3 weeks and when the plants look bad i tear them out. You may want to try a fungicide on your plants, especially in the type of wet weather you're dealing with. Liquid copper or Serenade, or some have had luck with homemade fungicides made from baking soda or milk. It won't cure the disease, but will help protect any new growth.

If it's bacterial wilt, there's no cure for that. Infected vines will die. It's very common with cucumbers; one bite from a cucumber beetle is all it takes.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2014 at 8:23AM
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conchitaFL(10 Hutchinson Island)

In FL at this time of year there's also the dreaded pickleworm in addition to all the other problems. This just isn't the time of year for most of us to try these plants because of all the disease/insect problems, also production slows way down when the heat and humidity really kick in.

If you haven't seen it, the U of F's Agricultural department has an excellent guide to vegetable gardening in FL, including when best to plant:

Here is a link that might be useful: IFAS planting guide

    Bookmark     July 14, 2014 at 10:16AM
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njitgrad

I harvested them today. They were small, about the size of golf balls. The tops looked kind of dry. Will see what my wife makes of them since I'm not a fan of beets.

    Bookmark     July 12, 2014 at 6:08PM
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jimmy56_gw (zone 6 PA)

Forgot to mention zone, I'm in zone 6 PA.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2014 at 8:57AM
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angie52

More pics

    Bookmark     July 14, 2014 at 7:22AM
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angie52

More pics

    Bookmark     July 14, 2014 at 7:23AM
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ltilton

If lettuce is bolting and it resprouts from the cut stem, it will still be bolting.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 9:51PM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Arugula (rocket in the UK) is not a type of lettuce at all. It's in the Brassica family along with cabbages and the like.

You can cut back bolting lettuce and you will get a little more crop but you can't stop it bolting for more than a few days. If you are pushed for space pull it and plant fresh lettuce seed/plants or something else. The bolting habit is why it is sensible to sow lettuce little and often in suitable climates. This is 'succession' planting or sowing. Otherwise it all matures at once and the crop is over.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2014 at 6:42AM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Recipe? Or do I have to go to the harvest board for that?
I don't can, I freeze. Nancy

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 8:54PM
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galinas(5B)

Nancy, I sent it to you in email.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2014 at 5:09AM
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travis77

Picture

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 6:01PM
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courtneysgarden

Not an expert but know tomatoes can have many disease and deficiency issues. May help to know what zone you are, how the weather has been, where/how you are growing it.

are the white leaves fuzzy by any chance? White fuzz on leaves is powdery mildew.

Whatever the issue it's always good to remove & throw away any funky looking leaves immediately.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2014 at 12:46AM
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glib(5.5)

The real reason for pulling and replanting is that if not pulled and re-distributed they will form thick clumps in spring 2015. The clumps are both harder to pull next year and make smaller bulbs. I have seen no significant differences when planting in September or November. I generally plant the tomato beds after the tomatoes are done (so after first frost) but have also planted other beds (say, after butternut squash, so early, or after cabbage, so late).

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 1:48PM
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zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin

Another reason to dig & replant garlic is nutrient depletion. That (and crowding) results in the clumps of smaller bulbs mentioned by Glib. It is recommended that garlic not be planted in the same place in consecutive years.

I generally plant some time after the first freeze, when I can dig up a row where the plants have died. Weather permitting, this is usually some time in October... but there have been years when Fall rains made that impossible. I've planted even after the soil surface had frozen in November, digging holes with a cordless drill & a big auger bit. The bulbs from that planting were just as big as those grown from October plantings. IMO late plantings are less likely to have problems than garlic planted too early.

It has been a bad year for my garlic. Surprisingly little was lost to the deep cold of last winter's Polar Vortex... but much of what survived the cold was done in by our abnormally heavy rainfall. My garden flooded three times, and the soil was waterlogged for much of May & June. Couldn't even get it all weeded between rains. The garlic sprouted normally, but much has died since. I dug up a few artichoke types whose tops had fallen over, and the bulbs are very small - even some rounds. Hopefully next year will have less hostile conditions.

This post was edited by zeedman on Mon, Jul 14, 14 at 0:32

    Bookmark     July 14, 2014 at 12:31AM
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sphinxface

The mealy bugs are a bit more challenging than the caterpillars, as gross as they are I can deal with them.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 8:06PM
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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

Row covers are a good idea for such non-flowering plants as cauliflower.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 11:15PM
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papillon1

I've been pollinating in the morning. I peel off the petals from the male & rub the stamen in the female. I don't tie the flower shut I just want it to set fruit. I have to wait some days to get both male & female flowers that open that day.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 9:32PM
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ltilton

soundslike you're doing the right thing - early morning is best, the pollen is most alive then

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 9:49PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Slimy - several discussions about using them over on the Tomatoes forum. Tomatoes are probably the most affected crop when it comes to soil borne diseases so they are the target crop when it comes product marketing. Potatoes and peppers less so and most other common garden vegetables have a minimal soil borne disease relationship.

What crop/soil borne diseases specifically are you exploring their use with?

Dave

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    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 4:16PM
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Slimy_Okra(2b)

OK, I will search that forum then. Thanks. Tomatoes should be close enough, given that it's mostly about issues with Verticillium in eggplant and pepper. The areas in question were rotated to grass for several years but still didn't quite eliminate the fungus (and I have limited area) so I would need an approach beyond just crop rotation in the future.

Too bad there aren't any resistant eggplants or hot peppers.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 7:24PM
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lkzz(7b)

I've got some butternut growing up the fence. Not planning to disturb it...

Winter Squash have tendrils so they like to climb...but this is a pumpkin that appears to get quite large. See the comments at the link below.

Here is a link that might be useful: Marina Di Chioggia Pumpkin

This post was edited by LKZZ on Sun, Jul 13, 14 at 11:50

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 11:46AM
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erin_nc(7)

Thanks for the feedback and link! I have 4 or 5 growing now. The vines are well beyond 20' and are taking over the county. The borers took out several other summer varieties but seems to not have made a dent in the Marinas.

My arbor is 16' high x 16' square at the top. No worries about being strong enough. 6x6 posts holing 2x8 joists. All connected with 2x2's. I've been growing gourds and luffa, but would rather use the space for something with nutritional value.

Besides, a person can only use and give away so much gourd and luffa. Freecycle.com is my friend.

I am so impressed with these Marina plants. No mold or borer damage. We'll see what happens when the squash bugs arrive. Either way I will definitely grow these next year on my arbor.

Thanks again!

Erin

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 6:13PM
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farmerdill

Since you know what it is now, Unknown "mutts" should not bother you. It is probably a yellow fleshed honey dew Many are hybrids but lack of uniformity is the major problem with second generation seeds. They usually taste ok. If you want to know what you are growing, than by all means buy seeds.

Here is a link that might be useful: Orange flesh honeydew

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 2:08PM
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courtneysgarden

Thanks for the link Farmerdill!

That looks exactly like the melon I was talking about! Funny it is listed as an heirloom so the seeds are not hybrid, though who knows about the one I got from the store.

Will try have to try these :)

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 6:10PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Thanks Wayne! I did get out to the garden today and what do you know -- I have summer squash! Costata Romanesca. A pretty good size squash, about 6 inches long with the green striping already showing, so I think it's started producing. I see another smaller one that might be coming along. Happy about that!

I did see Bumble Bees among the Nepeta and a couple of Honey Bees on Thyme. A few wasps. I wasn't sitting still for long and not focused on it but I'm glad I have some bee activity.

Cucumbers have flowers in just the past few days, so I'll be curious to see if those are pollinated and develop fruit in the next week.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 3:41PM
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Bloomin_Onion(2/3)

I'll tell you what... My husband and I are trying to buy our first piece of property. It will be a good piece, wherever it is and you can bet your bottom dollar that maybe a year or two after I get my garden started, I'm going to start raising honeybees. I think if you have the space so your neighbours aren't overwhelmed by an increase in bee population (small cookie-cutter houses, lots of kids around, sprinklers, possible stings, etc.) then learning about and then raising bees is a real service to the local farming community. Not only that, but you can charge people to "baby sit" a colony of honey bees for a bit just for pollination purposes, so long as their garden is organic, no pesticides, etc. :) Why not remind people of the service and importance of bees?

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 3:54PM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Elisa, afaik yellow jackets are a type of wasp ie whereas bees, although related, are a different order of insects. Bees don't predate other invertebrates. They are vegetarian and (mostly) docile. Both types of insects are important pollinators.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 2:42AM
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tcstoehr(8b Canby, OR)

Here's two of my chickens among my collard greens earlier in the season. The chickens never touched those plants until months later when the chickens were much larger. And by then a few lost leaves was no big deal, especially since I'm currently drowning in a sea of collard greens and kale.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2014 at 12:08PM
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