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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

Hi vgkg. It's good to hear from an oldtimer.

    Bookmark   March 24, 2015 at 7:42AM
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vgkg(Z-7)

Hi back at ya Wayne!

I'm getting ready to start my melon seeds indoors, many thanks for your past advice on your favorite varieties, they are now mine too!

    Bookmark   March 24, 2015 at 7:46AM
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defrost49

good clarification ballonflower.

    Bookmark   March 21, 2015 at 2:38AM
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purslanegarden(Zone 8)

You could do some trench composting prior to planting.

    Bookmark   March 24, 2015 at 7:17AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Sure you can. Whether you just set them on the soil or around the outside edges on the grass or bury them somewhat is entirely your choice. Just be sure to leave access for the tiller. And if you set them with the holes up you can even plant small plants in the holes. :)

Dave

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 8:21PM
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purslanegarden(Zone 8)

The type of grass may still send runners that will show up in your garden. Typically after you have tilled, you can at least notice the new grass more quickly. You may just need to spend time weeding through that.

At the spots where the concrete blocks are lieing, you may also want to remove the grass there, and then lay down weed blocker.

    Bookmark   March 24, 2015 at 5:45AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Makes a difference as the soil-based mixes are much more prone to disease issues.

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 8:40PM
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jimmy56_gw (zone 6 PA)

Could the change from the heat in the basement to a cooler room cause this? I'm going to try to get a picture up later today.

    Bookmark   March 24, 2015 at 5:44AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Due for a watering? How so? Because of a schedule or because the soil is dry 2 knuckles deep?

The swells and bumps you see in the leaves, especially in the first pic and on the left side in the second picture is called leaf edema and is a result of over-watering. The cells in the leaf tissue swell and deform giving the leaf a bumpy mumps-like appearance.

With peppers, since they prefer to dry out well between waterings, it is very important to determine if they actually need to be watered. Based on the photos they don't as the leaf and stem turgor is still quite stiff.

The soil surface is not a valid indication of the need for water. So stick your fingers deep into the soil first. Then, if any, doubt don't water. Peppers are far more tolerant of too little water than they are of over-watering.

In the second photo (lower left quarter) there also appears to be a bit of curl/roll of the leaf petoile (the leaf/stem junction). Any sign of aphids on the underside of the leaves? If not then I would credit and the similar rolls to the excess heat from the HID light - a small fan would help.

Sorry but I don't see any symptoms of calcium deficiency in the photos. Ca+ is normally asymptomatic in pepper leaves and only shows up in leaf tip burn and in the fruit.

Hope this helps.

Dave

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 5:36PM
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Ryan Shea
no bugs as far as i can tell. ive spent a lot of time checking them over.

edema is something the plants seem to be suffering from for sure. I have been letting the plants tell me when to water from drooping leaves and weight of the pot/soil.

I have been watering about once per week on average. as they have gotten larger they dry up faster though. I have been bottom watering, filling the tray an inch or so then dumping out excess after 15 min or so.

a fan might help edema and any burn problems from what i understand so that is a good idea.

i thought Ca deficiency because of pictures and posts on here and other forums ive googled up.
    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 5:54PM
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galinas(5B)

Let me search... I can't make any pictures now - it is still covered with tarp and snow)

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 5:19PM
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galinas(5B)

here, found one, but from the distance(look for a blue barrel on the top left). The big white pipe in it was used to fill with manure. (I hopped it will hit the barrel up in winter. Didn't happen.) I removed it and replaced with planting mix to let more space for roots. Small watering pipes are adjusted to the big one and almost invisible on this picture.

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 5:40PM
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booberry85(5)

Possible record lows for tonight & tomorrow. Even the birds are like "What the heck?"

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 12:58PM
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galinas(5B)

Yea, I heard a woodpecker started the song in the woods - first spring sing for me here... But chocked on it and didn't repeat). By that time they usually stop "singing"(Should I say knocking?) and start to take care of the nest...

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 5:17PM
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oliveoyl3

My family built me raised beds from free or cheap used concrete blocks. The growth was amazing our 1st year. I posted some photos last spring on the accessibility forum after I broke my ankle.

Check out the winter sowing forum for an easy way to start your seeds because indoor lights & watering is a pain. Milk cartons or cake trays are easy & free!

Here is a link that might be useful: concrete raised beds

    Bookmark   December 26, 2014 at 2:55PM
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karoliberty OKC zone 7a

just had a great time reading all of these tips on this old thread and wondering if OP purple made the transition to houzz? how was 2014?

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 4:48PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

There is nothing wrong with a pH of 6.0. Many of us would give anything for a soil pH of 6.0 IF it is accurate. It would not require the addition of any lime. But was this a professional soil test or simply one of those famously unreliable home test kits?

All soil routinely tests relatively low in N, even professional soil tests, in the early spring as it vaporizes into the air over the winter. Replacement of N is easy to accomplish with any number of soil amendments.

Dave

    Bookmark   Thanked by vinniemac    March 23, 2015 at 4:23PM
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randall_n(7)

That looks about right for the tomatoes except that mine were almost always eaten when almost completely ripe, and so the result was a lot more mushy. The melons were eaten from above the soil. So maybe I don't have voles, which is good because they sound hard to fence out. Squirrels, though, could be trouble. I doubt even my 7' deer netting will deter them much. They'll just climb the posts. I honestly have not seen squirrels nearby in this area, though. There aren't a lot of trees around. I've seen deer, rabbits, possum, foxes, and coyotes.

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 2:54PM
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zzackey(8b GA)

I don't think voles live this far south. We have two feral/fixed cats that take care of our rodents and grasshoppers. Two years ago something ate all of our best grapes overnight. They were Scuppernongs. I'm thinking it was rats. That was before we had the kitty cats.

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 3:33PM
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brookie987

Okay! Will do. Thanks again! No I checked and double checked the back of the packet.

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 11:55AM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Even though they share the same common name they are different species, are in different plant families, and have very different growth habits. Comparing the two would be like comparing apples to oranges. Kinda surprised that not even the Burpee website has the botanical name.

The one you have is a vine related to morning glories.

Rodney

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 12:09PM
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westminstress

That's an interesting idea. I will test out leaning the support against the fence, if that works it might be even better. Thanks for the idea!

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 8:15PM
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westminstress

Leaning against the fence works great! Even better than the triangles. Great idea, thank you!

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 6:27AM
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galinas(5B)

celeriac root is different, as far as I know it is round with several long roots attached(at least it is what my mother grows, it called apple celeriac). So couple of extra roots I guess wouldn't change much on celeriac root. Root parsley looks more like carrot, and spited root is not good, same as for carrots. It is night mare to clean it when you have a root 1 X 1 inch with 4-5 attached long "tails" less then 1/4 in diameter. I think I am going to try, but with some preparation. I am making 5 inch tall 1.25 inch wide tubes from brown craft paper. They fit snugly into standard plastic cells for the trays. I will fill them with mix, start parsley, and when it is time to go in the ground will plant them with paper tube on them - hope this way the plants will have enough length for their root and roots will not be disturbed during transplanting. This is a plan) Will see how it goes.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 5:10PM
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shermthewerm(8 PNW)

I guess I was thinking because I heard the two will cross-pollinate that they were similar. But thinking about it, you're probably right because parsley root does resemble a carrot more than celeriac. Sounds like you have a good plan. Good luck & let us know how it works--always looking for new things to try...

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 5:47PM
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galinas(5B)

Supplemental lights only help when they are several inches away from the plant. But depending on the position of the area, you may provide some light with large mirror, placed to reflect sun that you get on your bed. Also, on sunny days you should get at least some sun around noon, when the sun is in the highest point and shadows are short.

    Bookmark   Thanked by erun1    March 22, 2015 at 3:59PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Yes, sorry but the need is for inches, not feet. And LEDs are normally even closer to the plants than fluorescents. Mirrors as suggested of other reflective materials for whatever sun exposure you can tap will help a bit.

Dave

    Bookmark   Thanked by erun1    March 22, 2015 at 5:05PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Where about are you located? And how did you overwinter the eggplants and peppers?

Rodney

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 2:43PM
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