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brookie987

Okay! Will do. Thanks again! No I checked and double checked the back of the packet.

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 11:55AM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Even though they share the same common name they are different species, are in different plant families, and have very different growth habits. Comparing the two would be like comparing apples to oranges. Kinda surprised that not even the Burpee website has the botanical name.

The one you have is a vine related to morning glories.

Rodney

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 12:09PM
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westminstress

That's an interesting idea. I will test out leaning the support against the fence, if that works it might be even better. Thanks for the idea!

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 8:15PM
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westminstress

Leaning against the fence works great! Even better than the triangles. Great idea, thank you!

    Bookmark   March 23, 2015 at 6:27AM
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galinas(5B)

celeriac root is different, as far as I know it is round with several long roots attached(at least it is what my mother grows, it called apple celeriac). So couple of extra roots I guess wouldn't change much on celeriac root. Root parsley looks more like carrot, and spited root is not good, same as for carrots. It is night mare to clean it when you have a root 1 X 1 inch with 4-5 attached long "tails" less then 1/4 in diameter. I think I am going to try, but with some preparation. I am making 5 inch tall 1.25 inch wide tubes from brown craft paper. They fit snugly into standard plastic cells for the trays. I will fill them with mix, start parsley, and when it is time to go in the ground will plant them with paper tube on them - hope this way the plants will have enough length for their root and roots will not be disturbed during transplanting. This is a plan) Will see how it goes.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 5:10PM
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shermthewerm(8 PNW)

I guess I was thinking because I heard the two will cross-pollinate that they were similar. But thinking about it, you're probably right because parsley root does resemble a carrot more than celeriac. Sounds like you have a good plan. Good luck & let us know how it works--always looking for new things to try...

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 5:47PM
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galinas(5B)

Supplemental lights only help when they are several inches away from the plant. But depending on the position of the area, you may provide some light with large mirror, placed to reflect sun that you get on your bed. Also, on sunny days you should get at least some sun around noon, when the sun is in the highest point and shadows are short.

    Bookmark   Thanked by erun1    March 22, 2015 at 3:59PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Yes, sorry but the need is for inches, not feet. And LEDs are normally even closer to the plants than fluorescents. Mirrors as suggested of other reflective materials for whatever sun exposure you can tap will help a bit.

Dave

    Bookmark   Thanked by erun1    March 22, 2015 at 5:05PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Where about are you located? And how did you overwinter the eggplants and peppers?

Rodney

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 2:43PM
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formerly_creativeguy

Glib, I'm sitting on 6.2 ph, which I figure to be pretty good for potatoes. Soils a little compacted, maybe more clay than I'd like... but I have access to large amounts of free compost and I'm adding a lot to the new beds. I guess I've never really seen firsthand what happens when ph is out of whack. Low yields? What else can improper ph provoke?

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 10:34AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

6.2 sounds great to me. Green with envy! :) Shoot I'd even envy glib's 7.6 as a starting point. But it takes a lot of work to get mine down to 7 with lots of compost, peat, oak leaf mold and sulfur.

As for effect of pH - skewed pH retards nutrient uptake - especially N - even when ample nutrients are available. Reduced top growth equals reduced production. In my vegetable gardens the most effect is on the root crops - garlic and onions, turnips, radish and carrots, etc. Doesn't bother much else as long as I can keep it in the 7-7.5 range.

Dave

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 1:20PM
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rf56skyler

Put a cover on them place on top of water heater t

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 7:34AM
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rf56skyler

3/23/15

    Bookmark   March 22, 2015 at 7:35AM
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farmerdill

For your purpose I would suggest a leaf type or a Romaine.

1 Like    Bookmark   Thanked by Nicola Kubzdela    March 21, 2015 at 6:19PM
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balloonflower(5b Denver CO, HZ 5-6, Sunset 2b)

I would also suggest that you stick to a single type, as opposed to salad blend mixes. I grow lettuce indoors year round, and find that with the blends, some kinds overgrow and kill off others. Asian greens tend to crowd out leaf lettuces. Chard and baby kales grow at different rates. I'm trying to use up the blend seed and will then switch.

1 Like    Bookmark   Thanked by Nicola Kubzdela    March 21, 2015 at 11:10PM
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jctsai8b(8B)

How can I delete it?

    Bookmark   March 21, 2015 at 4:05PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Can't delete it. Just don't comment on it and it will go away soon. :)

Rodney

    Bookmark   March 21, 2015 at 6:37PM
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Peter (6b SE NY)

I just called Dixondale, they said both the onions and leeks will hold for 3-4 weeks just left in a cool dry place. They said the leeks should be OK to transplant when we aren't expecting temps below 20, so next weekend I will transplant and hopefully they will be ok. They said if I put them indoors in pots they will probably die being transplanted again.

IDK how dry I can expect, they still have moist dirt on their roots, and are all stuck together. I put them in an unheated room, they should definitely stay cool at least. It's probably 55 in there.

    Bookmark   March 21, 2015 at 9:01AM
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Peter (6b SE NY)

The snow looks like it will be all melted by tomorrow, and I can plant if I wanted... Dixondale says the onions should be planted now according to their generic advice, but not sure it applies to a climate like this one where it can be in the low 20's a few weeks before last frost (and in fact it will be 19F tomorrow night.) The ground will also be soggy.

Maybe I will do some tomorrow and some next week?

On another note, should I rake the leaf mulch from the garlic I planted? It is extremely wet. About half the bulbs sprouted. They definitely took a beating this winter and have yellowed a bit.

    Bookmark   March 21, 2015 at 12:46PM
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yolos - z 7b/8a Ga.

You are welcome jenhp. It does not need to be this tall for broccoli. But I use it for Broccoli in the spring and fall and squash/zucchinni in the summer. The squash and zucchini try to bust out of the sides and the top. But without this covering, I can't grow these crops without a lot of losses or time wasted picking off insects or spraying heavily with pesticides.

    Bookmark   March 21, 2015 at 6:10AM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

I used tulle last summer to keep potato beetles off my potato plants. Worked well, so I expect I will do the same this year. By the end of the season I had some holes in the fabric, however - it seemed to be breaking down from UV exposure. I used 108" that I got at Joann's, which covered two adjacent beds, each of which had black plumbing tubing for a frame. I used water-filled milk jugs as weights on the edges and corners. I don't have raised beds. With a 40% off coupon it was about $1.65 per yard, so thanks for the links to various sources. I see that if I buy it by the bolt it can be ~$1 per yard.

    Bookmark   March 21, 2015 at 10:04AM
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vgkg(Z-7)

Very nice. I basically have 3 gardening seasons here in Va. Spring, Summer, & Autumn. Another "step" which is very important but not listed is to be aware of the sun's position to avoid planting an autumn crop that may be partially shaded as the direct sun area shifts during the seasons. If you have tall trees or a house on the southern border of your garden they may block direct sun light before the fall crops reach maturity.

    Bookmark   March 20, 2015 at 2:57PM
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Peter (6b SE NY)

DTM is much longer in the Fall. I blame my lack of success with Fall gardening partially on the lack of sun, and the huge amounts of pests. Germinating and seedlings in summer heat is also a challenge. I am not sure I will try any major summer plantings this year.

    Bookmark   March 20, 2015 at 5:52PM
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dianetg

It's another fine spring and as the snow draws back, I am sprinkling wheat-based pee-soaked cat litter on the sprouts from my bulbs. The squirrels were digging many holes and had munched the tops off some of my crocuses and tulips until I began this. Now it has stopped wherever the cat litter is placed. Luckily, if you have a cat and buy the more costly wheat litter, the supply of squirrel repellant is constant. It also worked for my sprouting seeds last year after much experimentation with various disgusting methods (see earlier in discussion). I hope it continues to work with my town squirrels. Dunno about the tough urban types.

    Bookmark   March 20, 2015 at 2:15PM
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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

We have indoor cats, and spreading their pee-soaked litter around my garden did NOTHING. Neither did pepper flakes. That was disappointing. Yes, it may be that urban squirrels are just tougher and more fearless.

As to chicken wire, be aware that squirrels will push themselves under the wire (yep, tried that), so the wire has to be very carefully anchored to the ground.

As to relocation regulations, yes, they vary. In my locale, relocation of squirrels to private property (without permission) is prohibited. But not being specified, relocation to public property has to be presumed legal.

    Bookmark   March 20, 2015 at 2:24PM
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sunnyflies

I love what you are doing. Good for you!

Personally, I think you could put an indeterminate tomato on that pretty branch trellis. If it looks as if your plant might need extra support, you can simply tie a few key sections to the fence behind it to bear the weight.

I use a natural string made of cotton or hemp, even raffia, to tie up my plants so that I can compost it along with the plant later on.

The chain link is great too. Lean it against the fence with enough room for you to reach behind to pick peas or beans and it should be fine. It would probably work for cucumbers too. Check Pinterest for pea trellis and you will see all sorts of fun ones. I spotted one made from an innerspring from a mattress this morning.

    Bookmark   March 19, 2015 at 3:01PM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

A simple, cheap and renewable pea trellis is pea sticks, i.e. twiggy prunings. At the end of the season they can be composted along with the pea vines.

    Bookmark   March 20, 2015 at 1:34PM
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zzackey(8b GA)

We live about a mile from a farm that grew cotton. Last year they grew peanuts. I think most of the bugs came to my yard that didn't get killed at their farm. I've had stink bugs and leaf footed bugs galore. I will definitely try your soap and tomato bucket. Thanks!

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 7:35PM
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vgkg(Z-7)

I have used a similar method to drown codding moths that attack my apples. This "brew" consisted of water, vinegar, molasses, and a bit of banana, hung from the tree limbs in cut off milk cartons (the plastic gallon sized ones with handles work best). The containers fill up fast and need scooping often, the brew just gets stronger with time and needs refreshing every 2 weeks or so.

I'll have to give your tomato/bucket method a shot as stink bugs and leaf footers are terrible here, for the asst fruit trees as well.

    Bookmark   March 20, 2015 at 7:47AM
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