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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Yep, mine did the same thing but recovered and the later new growth was fine...unless the rabbits get them.

Dave

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 2:36PM
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gltrap54

Thanks Dave! Yeah I lie awake at night thinking of new schemes to foil the cute little bunnies that ate 30+ Broccoli plants this spring...... When I finally drift off, I have nightmares of my beans being ate off at the ground....... Oh, wait...... that wasn't just a nightmare, that was also the fate of last fall's crop.......

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 6:47PM
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catherinet(5 IN)

That's very interesting defrost49. I'm going to look into it.
Thanks for posting about it.
One thing I wanted to ask about, is that I grew purple pole beans and purple peppers once, and when you cooked them they turned green. (which was disappointing). Would those still be higher in the nutrients?

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 9:05AM
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defrost49

I have a lot to learn and remember so I looked it up:
Royal Burgundy fades the longer cooked. Add raw beans to salad for maximum color and maximum anthocyanin value.
Also good Royalty Purple.
Colored fresh peas and beans that are red, blue or purple have more phytonutrients than traditional green varieties.
Odd, peppers aren't in the book.
Phytonutrients are produced by plants. These include antioxidants, certain compounds that reduce the risk of infection, lower blood pressure, lower LDL cholesterol, etc.

I was disappointed to learn my favorite apple varieties do not contains as many phytonutrients as others and the original wild varieties of apples contain a huge amount.

When plants were bred for higher sugar content such as super sweet varieties of corn, they usually lost nutritional value.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 4:41PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

If you want to know if there are earwigs, just try removing the mulch from around the basil plant. If there we any will be hiding in the moist under it.
But Earwigs don't eat that much, as compared to slugs. Rats and rabbits are also suspect. So nylon tulle (from any fabric/craft store) can deter many and all.

Today I will be xplanting cucumbers. I will cover them with tulle. Tulle is a versatile thing to have handy and its is very inexpensive cover material. Will let air, light, rain in. It is wind proof, light weight.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 4:00PM
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AiliDeSpain(6a - Utah)

How do you secure it to the plant?

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 4:13PM
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zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin

"Zeedman, how do you get rid of your ant hills?"

Unless they are causing problems, I leave them alone. Black ants, while annoying, seldom cause problems. The except is when they spread disease from plant to plant, by carrying aphids... then it's necessary to kill the ants so I can deal quickly with the aphids (I use insecticidal soap to kill the aphids). Destructive ants, like the carpenter ants, are another matter; I do not tolerate their presence in the garden.

Ants are the only exception I make from strictly organic practices. I use the liquid ant baits designed for household use, placing them under empty pulp plant trays to both keep them dry & prevent animals from finding them. The hills are usually just outside my garden, and I bait them there. A single bait usually kills the nest, although it may take awhile to see results. Larger nests, or complexes of several hills, may require several baits. If I can't find the nest, I place a bait or two under the plants they are infesting, and let the ants find the nest for me.

If you don't want to use poison, and are able to locate the nest, dump a big kettle of boiling water on it. Do this at night, when most of the foraging ants should be in the nest. Open the heart of the nest, then pour the boiling water in. This may need to be repeated several times.

There is another way which might work, one I use to kill wasp nests in the ground. Get a tin or can, and put some charcoal lighter in it. Find a large, sturdy metal container (such as a very large steel bowl or metal tub) that will fit over both the nest & the tin of fluid. Just before sunset, water the ground around the nest to make it soft. Working at night so as not to get stung, place the fluid next to the nest, light it, and quickly cover it with the tub, forcing the edges into the ground. The burning fluid will exhaust all of the oxygen inside, and leave poisonous fumes behind. Leave the tub in place for at least a day; any insects that were too deep to be killed by the fumes will be killed as they emerge. This has been 100% effective for me when dealing with ground-dwelling wasps; it might be worth trying for fire ants. Keep in mind, ants often form satellite nests, you'd have to get them all at close to the same time, or neighboring nests would just re-inhabit the empty ones.

    Bookmark   December 9, 2011 at 2:48PM
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timetraveler(9b Melbourne Beach FL)

My asparagus bean plants are aphid magnets. I knock them off in the morning and they're back in the afternoon. They destroy the blossoms and new beans so that few are left for harvest. Will those of you who say that you have no trouble with aphids please post which varieties you're growing? I'm hoping there's a resistant one.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 3:06PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

That C-Five-C looks beautiful, Aili.
Looks a lot like my Manzano. The foliage, color of flowers, except Manzano is hairy.

I do have couple of C-Fives-C but they are nowhere near yours. They are much shorter and are not yet fully purplish.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 5:13AM
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AiliDeSpain(6a - Utah)

Thanks seysonn. Ceth, I think that is a characteristic of this plant, but I'm not sure.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 10:31AM
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catherinet(5 IN)

I like to think in terms of the "fruit" that the vegetable will make. The larger the fruit, the more sun it needs. So I would put the cucs in the sunnier area.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 9:07AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Thank you! With new vegetable beds in place, the sun exposure is a little different than it was and it was a pleasant surprise to see that section get another hour of sun. Cukes it is. :-)

Good way of thinking of it too Catherine.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 9:51AM
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drscottr(7)

Hi Folks

Both are liquids.

Scott

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 10:39PM
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grandad_2003(9A/sunset 28)

For the reasons mentioned above, I keep BT liquid in our outside (storeroom) refrigerator. It remains effective for several ??? years. It usually takes about 5 to 7 years before I finish the bottle.

This post was edited by grandad on Sat, May 31, 14 at 8:56

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 8:54AM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

Link works now.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 7:03AM
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mushibu10(zone 8 (UK))

it does work. thank you for fixing.

leo

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 7:11AM
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jacob.morgan78(7 Central Virginia)

I missed it. Sorry. The per 10' thing threw me off for some reason. Since it is organic, I probably don't need to worry as much about over doing it... I definitely tend to overthink things sometimes so thanks for dealing with me!

Since this is the first application, you guys think I could by with adding more? Maybe 2-3 tablespoons per plant? There I go again over thinking... oh well... :-)

thanks again!

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 7:39PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Seysonn,

I've already made my choice on fertilizer for my own reasons. Do you have any recommendations related to my question about how much to side dress each plant?
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I apologize.
Good luck with your choice !

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 11:45PM
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slowjane CA/ Sunset 21

It's true that gardening is a tricky hobby if you are a very anxious person as there are so many things you can't control or know and it puts you in touch with your environment and food in a way we aren't accustomed to anymore.

However, (speaking as someone who can also be a very anxious person), gardening could be a way to face some of these things and work on accepting (some) of the chaos in the world and (some) of the things we cannot change or control. For me, as much as I can worry about my soil (found some old paint chips in it from taking out a fence...oy...trying not to fixate and be reasonable about the actual danger) the payoff can really help you get past all the little trials you have to go through to get there.

Perhaps as you get more informed about all these issues, that knowledge will help quell your anxieties and you can embrace the very positive experience of gardening and being "present", which is one of my main reasons for doing it as it gets me out of my head and reconnected to my hands, the dirt, and the miracle of things growing.

I say don't give up yet! but maybe look at it as a learning opportunity, in more ways than one.

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 4:24PM
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elisa_z5

slowjane, that was wonderfully wise. I was wondering what could be said to the OP to help ease some of the fears -- thanks for doing it much better than I could.

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 10:23PM
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catherinet(5 IN)

I leave my asparagus ferns up all winter, then cut them in the spring.

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 5:27PM
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ChicagoDeli37

Sorry for all the pics but yes I have been very busy. Also adding more hot peppers today. I'm pretty familiar with everything I am growing except soybean and asparagus.

Any info or help on these two veggies would be great.

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 7:19PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Legumes are kind of the garden weirdos when talking about nutrients - since they tend to make their own nitrogen and don't need much of anything else to do well. So trying to companion plant with them is difficult - except for other legumes. So you could always plant bush beans, crowder peas, southern peas (aka field peas) etc. - 70+ varieties of them - or any of the other legumes. Plus any root crop that doesn't require high N supplements like the carrots Lori mentioned. It is the need to keep other climbing things off the bean trellis that I would be most worried about.

But if you don't normally feed during the season - which I have to admit I can't imagine - then maybe it won't be an issue for you no matter what you plant there.

For me the gardens get regular supplements - primarily side dressings with lots of compost since I have a well established soil web - throughout the season as the nutrients are exhausted by the plants and the N vaporizes away. Plus supplemental feedings of various other organics as needed throughout the season.

Nobody wants to go 3-4 months without eating. :)

Dave

PS: the beans from last year won't provide any supplemental N to what is planted this year unless you left all the roots with nodules in the ground or tilled all the plants in. If the plants were pulled, the N goes with them.

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 5:03PM
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2ajsmama

Cut off at ground level to leave the roots, pulled what was hanging on the fence off as best I could and threw the tops in the aisle to compost in place with the old hay we'd mulched with (though I admit I didn't look to see if they were still there, DH could have "cleaned them up" and put in trash, I should have bagged them up and brought up to put in compost bin).

I was planning on side dressing (way to the other side) as well as my usual amending the hole if planting tomatoes on the other side of the beans. But I amend the beds every spring with plenty of compost (wherever I'm planting things other than beans or potatoes) so no, I don't feed. Except when it looks like they need it, like last year when I tried foliar feeding b/c of all the rain. I do use diluted Neptune's Harvest while they're still in the pots, before transplanting.

I think I'm skipping carrots this year - the strawberries took over the bed I had them in last year and that's the only one that's been sifted through enough to get rid of even tiny pebbles. Our soil is pretty rocky - even the beds near the house that have gotten more compost b/c we started them in 2008.

Maybe turnips? Onions? There are still onion sets in the feed stores.

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 6:09PM
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wendybird13

Also I just wanted to mention I did sprinkle some worm castings on top that's when the plants shot up:) a few weeks late I sprayed everyone with that sea magic stuff- maybe the tomatoes did not like but the cucumber did:)

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 4:31PM
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gin_gin(5)

In your area I believe most people grow tomatoes during the winter. If it isn't too warm & humid for fruit to set, it soon will be. You may have a little better luck if they're cherries. My mom who is in Boca Raton has already pulled her tomato plants.

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 5:43PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

"Average high temp this and last month 64F, av low 42F. In between we have had a number of days over 70F. Still too cold?"

Yep. Peppers love the heat. Cold just makes them sit there and not do anything. When it warms up a little more they should start growing.

"Maybe it needs more time. Should I pinch the blossoms off and wait and see?"

I would.

Rodney

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 11:50AM
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Slimy_Okra(2b)

If you don't mind sharing, what city are you located in/near?

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 3:24PM
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Farmington

How much water do you put or in terms of hours how long do you use the soaker hose lets say for 1 inch per week vegetable requirement. My soeaker hose says it outputs 1 gallon per feet per hour. I have two 50 sq. foot above the ground

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 1:42PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Farmington- The "one inch per week" "rule" is a very vague guideline at best. To put it another way, it's completely unreliable. How much you need to water depends on the specific crop, rainfall, heat, your type of soil, sun exposure, if your soil is mulched or not, etc. Nobody can say definitively that your plants need x-amount of water. Sorry, I realize that doesn't help much.

Water until your soil is moist. Not just on the surface but deep down. Certain plants like consistent moisture. Some like to dry out a bit between waterings. If it's been hot, you'll need to water more. If it's been cool you might not need to water for a while. Sandy soil dries out quicker than clay. Mulched soil retains moisture whereas unmulched dries out quick in summer. You just have to get a feel for it.

Rodney

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 2:59PM
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