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woohooman San Diego CA zone 10a

I've never noticed it and as wuss as my family is, I'm sure they'd tell me when my red bells had the heat of even an Anaheim.

I'm just waiting for the day when bells put out the number of pods as my Bhuts do.

:)

Kevin

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 12:17PM
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noki

Not sure how often but I'm sure there are the occasional accidental hybrid seed or someone accidentally mislabeled the seeds, which could explain people being surprised by a hotter than expected plant.

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 10:37PM
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Errant_gw

I can beta, as well, on a couple of platforms :)

Off to take a look at other softwares that were mentioned!

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 4:52PM
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drscottr(7)

Hi Folks

Thanks for all the volunteers. The software still has lots of bugs. Should be ready for testing in a couple weeks. I'm aiming at having it ready for next season.

Scott

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 10:37PM
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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

My experience is this: I don't have problems with worms on spring broccoli, but fall broccoli and cauliflower is another story

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 12:56PM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

I do mean the larva of the white butterflies, we always called those loopers. :) So maybe wasps? Or the hard winter? It was a hard winter for here, but probably about like a typical upstate NY winter. What made me think of it was when I realized I was hand picking tons of Colorado Potato Beetle larva but hadn't had to touch the broccoli all spring. Which is highly unusual for me, spring or fall.

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 8:09PM
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howelbama(7 NJ)

Well, that was a bit condescending.

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 2:15PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

By all means let's drag up another old thread, rehash it all again, and send the OP more emails he/she was likely tired of getting 2 years ago.

WeakStream - since you did that what sort of supportive documentation do you have for all these claims you make please?

For example, in 2008 the Environmental Protection Agency completed a reassessment of this question and published those results. Testing determined that

1. plant-based creosote has increasingly been used for this purpose since the early 1980's.

2. that its primary source of potential health risk is to the workers in the wood-treatment plants working with fresh mix but that even that risk is minimized by safe handling,

3. that creosote can be harmful to plants if it comes into direct contact with them. The substance will also produce vapors in warm weather, and exposure to these vapors may damage plant leaves. Creosote that seeps into the soil may damage roots directly, but plants will not absorb the substance into their root tissue.

4. that keeping plants at least several inches away from treated timbers usually prevents damage from direct contact and vapors, and creosote will generally not migrate far enough through the soil to reach plants that are a short distance away

5. short-term exposure to creosote can cause skin, eye and respiratory irritation; longer-term exposure may cause organ damage or cancer. In the garden, you're unlikely to have more than short-term direct contact with creosote, and because plants don't absorb creosote through their roots, you won't be exposed to it by eating vegetables grown near treated timbers.

I am not claiming this is the definitive position, just that there is supporting evidence that would seem to undermine many of your claims.

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: US EPA - Resources on Creosote

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 7:54PM
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Ohiofem(6a Ohio)

I've been container gardening for decades. Before I knew better, I used some of the things you used, which are mostly bad in containers. Soil of any kind will compact and get mucky, attracting things like fungus gnats. It will interfere with drainage and cause root death. Lucky for you, smart pots can handle heavier potting mixes than other containers. But a soilless potting mix would be much better.

And all that other stuff is nothing but garbage in a pot, attracting other bad guys, including flies and rats. Lucky for you the lizards are probably eating a lot of the bad insects, but they can't eat rats. Food waste belongs in a compost pile, not a container. It can take a year to break down into a form that feeds your plants. Balanced chemical fertilizers work much better. If you're serious about container gardening, checkout the container gardening forum. Heres a long running discussion from that forum.

Here is a link that might be useful: Container soils - Water movement and retention

    Bookmark   May 17, 2014 at 1:40PM
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wendybird13

Thank you everyone for the input :) I do not have a rat prob :)Will be getting a composter for next year though

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 3:49PM
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johns.coastal.patio(USDA 10b, Sunset 24)

Since you are doing an open bottom, I'd think any "garden soil" would be fine. MiracleGro makes that (was 4 bags for $10 at Home Depot a couple days ago), but probably anything is fine.

Potting soil would probably work too, but would be a less perfect match, in my humble opinion.

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 12:27PM
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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

Leafminers.
Two different kinds exist. One makes serpentine trails. The other, the one you have, makes blotch mines. (the brown spots)

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 10:35AM
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janleecat

Thank you jean. I will search for an organic remedy if it's not too late.

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 11:54AM
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jonfrum(6)

They're doin' fine. Wait until the husk goes dry like paper before harvesting. Eventually, they'll start falling off the plant on their own, so you'll have to look under the plants regularly.

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 11:09AM
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Slimy_Okra(2b)

Don't do anything. The plant will continue growing as it sets out new flowers and fruit.

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 11:14AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

I wouldn't unless you need the room for something else. They are attractive, draw pollinators, and if you keep them well watered until the weather breaks you'll get beans then. You are bound to get a few days now and then where pollination is possible or you can always try the early AM hand pollination tricks that work on other veges.

But its your choice.

Dave

    Bookmark   May 26, 2014 at 11:10PM
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planatus(6)

I was frustrated with scarlet runners in Z 7, they didn't like the muggy summer weather at all, but in the mountains with cool nights (6b) they are very happy indeed. Mine bloom all summer and set a few pods, from which I harvest the dry beans in late summer. With light trimming and deep watering, the plants make a strong comeback in the fall and the immature beans that set in cool fall weather are extraordinarily sweet and tender, great to eat raw.

If you don't think your plants will make it through summer, you might start some new seedlings in late summer for a fall crop.

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 7:40AM
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glib(5.5)

Bekana is even better in the Fall. And gai-lan is so much earlier than broccoli.

    Bookmark   May 26, 2014 at 10:58AM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

glib, have you found Gai land to be bitter? Current discussion on the cooking forum says it's a bitter Asian green, and the posters seem knowledgeable. Mine has never been bitter-not in the previous three years and so far, not this year.

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 6:51AM
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sweetspud(6a)

Thank you everyone for your responses. We saw this on a youtube video, it sounded interesting but the high heat and humidity we are getting I think is making it like a sauna. The stocks are thin and fragile but very favourable. Thank you floral_uk, I couldn't have explained it better. We haven't found a source locally for the terra cotta forcers, we are using terra cotta chimney flumes, and my husband make wooden lids that fit on top. Thanks again everyone.

    Bookmark   May 26, 2014 at 5:26PM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

I don't know your climate, sweetspud, but here the forcing season is well over. So maybe you're trying to do it too late? Maybe it won't even work that well for you if you go from very cold to very hot in a short space. Our long cool springs mean that even now it is only 57 outside today and it was around high 40s in February. Forcing it started in late winter.

But thin, pale and fragile sounds right for forced rhubarb stalks.

    Bookmark   May 27, 2014 at 6:07AM
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Slimy_Okra(2b)

My best guess is that the roots rotted from being planted in clayey garden soil which was likely overwatered as well. In a container, you should only use a soilless potting mix such as peat moss mixed with perlite and supplemented with fertilizer. .

    Bookmark   May 26, 2014 at 1:16PM
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noki

Does it get much sun? They need sun. Hard to tell but it looks like the pot may stay too soggy also. It is very soggy right now, and it would stay more soggy in the shade.

Green chiles ripen to red chiles (unless they ripen to yellow). You can pick them when they are green if you like.

This post was edited by noki on Mon, May 26, 14 at 23:40

    Bookmark   May 26, 2014 at 11:28PM
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ccabal(7)

Summer squash are super easy to grow under cover since they plants are smaller. Once your female flowers open, you can either hand pollinate and re-cover, or just let nature take its course, but by that time youd have a good harvest already. It probably is at least 3 weeks from the time the eggs are laid until you would notice any damage at all.

    Bookmark   May 26, 2014 at 9:39PM
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CaraRose

Mine all made it to the end of the season last year, aside from the one I snapped in half (doh :()

I injected BT when i first saw signs of borer holes. All of them had some injury, but most had their stems still intact. This one, I must of missed a borer.

But this plant, while weakened and dealing with powdery mildew, still was producing to the end of the season. Even with that much damage on the stem. Kind of amazing.

    Bookmark   May 26, 2014 at 10:53PM
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jenhp(6)

Great, bush I can deal with! I've given it plenty of room.

Thank you.

Jen

    Bookmark   May 26, 2014 at 6:45PM
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glib(5.5)

I grow it and in my case it has occasionally became a short vine, bush-type but with a 4-5 ft trunk. Most of the time it makes the usual 1-1.5 ft bush trunk.

    Bookmark   May 26, 2014 at 8:48PM
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AiliDeSpain(6a - Utah)

Sunni, thanks for the link. Yes I planted them way too sparingly. I had about 10 ft X 1ft usable space along that fence with a cattle panel trellis in front, I could have planned so many more seeds! Lesson learned! !! :)

    Bookmark   May 25, 2014 at 9:18PM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

Happy it was helpful!

    Bookmark   May 26, 2014 at 3:49PM
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