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denninmi(8a)

AinhoaNY wrote: " bought the Portuguese kale seeds distributed by Franchi of Italy. I bought them at Seeds of Italy This would be Galega de Folhas Lisas...which also reminded me of caldo gallego :-) http://www.growitalian.com/kale-galega-de-folhas-lisas-smooth-green-leaf-35-11/";

That actually looks pretty similar to the Italian broccoli 'Spigariello' which is grown for its leaves instead of the heads:

http://www.veggiegardeningtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/Leaf-Broccoli-Plant-Photo.jpg

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AliceMarieP

We have a small farm in Portugal and have access to all varieties of Portuguese kale and cabbage and can send them abroad if anyone is interested. :-)

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vgkg(Z-7)

I find that cuke plants have a shorter lifespan than most veggies so if you planted yours back in May or so they have already given their best and are now saying bye-bye. I get around this by planting cukes 3 times during the season, when the first ones bloom I plant set #2, when #2 blooms I plant set #3. Set Number 3 is now beginning to bud up while #2 leaves are turning yellow/brown and saying bye-bye with it's last cukes on the wane (Set #1 is long gone). Squash is similar in timing and planting.

As for the old soil, I don't use containers so that question is best left to someone who does.

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caryltoo Z7/SE PA

I agree with vgkg -- cuke vines just give out after a while. I've been gardening a long time and it's always the same, lots of cukes in july then slowly the vines give out, turn yellow, then brown and stop producing. Staggered planting is the answer if you want cukes into the fall.

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calliope(6)

Well, that's plumb scary. Yeah, pumpkins are particularly ozone sensitive and resistance to damage will vary within a particular crop. Will be curious to see if the other varieties of pumpkin you have planted will exhibit the same response. If not, guess you'll know which ones to plant next year. Do you think the vines will hang in there long enough for the fruits to mature?

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MNgardenman

Yeah, as of yet they look like they will. Actually August 22nd is the maturity date from when I planted for this variety according to seed catalog but we had a wet, cool June so things got delayed a bit because of it so I'm guessing at least 2 weeks after that date until they are ready. I will try and get some updated pics posted and put them on a separate post as Ozone Damage.

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little_minnie(zone 4a)

I use lots of plastic mulch and leave it down if possible. the paths are permanent and stay down and just get more on top when they are holey. Most of the beds need to be replaced with fresh but I am trying to leave the cucurbit area and have that be potatoes and sweet potatoes next year without anything done. I use drip tape.

A lot of people think plastic mulch isn't organic but Jere Gettle uses it! I tend 22000 sq feet and need that mulch to be able to produce that much food and not spend 100 hours per week weeding.

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barrie2m_(6a, central PA)

There are biodegradable plastic mulches available but be aware that they often start to degrade before the season ends.

I agree of the importance of incorporating nutrients back into the soil. You can leave the plastic in place up to the time to renovate- I find it easier to pull up in the spring when vegetation has dried up and degraded a bit. It is just part of my farming routine that often takes less than 4 hours for me to accomplish and I lay (with tractor) over a mile of the stuff.

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little_minnie(zone 4a)

It gets bigger than any other bush summer squash, but it is a favorite of mine.

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hilnaric

Thanks, little_minnie. It sure is pretty.

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Aaron_Wisconsin_(5)

Is it resistant to bacterial wilt?

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hudson___wy(3)

Good Question - having done a search - I find nothing that states that it is - we have not had bacterial wilt in our GH in the 3 years that we have planted Carmen.

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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

1. You can try to prevent it if you want.

2. Planting two varieties next to each other doesn't cause deformed fruit. Yes, they will cross pollinate but that doesn't affect this year's fruit, only the plants next year (if you save the seeds to plant next year). Deformed fruits goes along with number 3.

3. With planting in containers it can sometimes be difficult to provide adaquate water. Inconsitent watering is one reason for deformed cukes. Another cause is fertilizer related, which can also be a challenge to keep consistent in containers because the nutrients run out every time you water. Yet another is incomplete pollination. If the container is of the proper size and you provide the plants with the necessary water and nutrients then they shouldn't be stunted.

4. No reason to. Just pick them when you want to eat them.

Rodney

This post was edited by theforgottenone1013 on Tue, Aug 19, 14 at 19:01

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farmerdill

The ones sold in grocery stores are commercail green house cucumbers and they are semi parthenocarpic.They develop seeds if pollinated. some varieties are Kalunga', 'Bellissma', 'Millagon', 'Discover', 'Marianna', 'Fitness', 'Aramon', 'Fidelio', 90-0048', 'E1828', 'Futurea',Bella and 'B-1157'. All were developed in Europe and probably descended from the Telegraph.

Here is a link that might be useful: English cucumber

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pennypond USDA 10 Sunset 21 CA

Hi Dimitrig,

I found the following description from Johnny's website, which specifies a variety shrink-wrapped in plastic. It seems matching what you had in mind. Here is the link. I grew something like it one year and really liked it. But the seedling came from a nursery.

Dutch cucumbers such as Tyria are 14"-long, thin, spineless cucumbers usually grown in a greenhouse. Their thin skins contribute to their excellent eating quality, but cause them to dehydrate quickly. They are often found in supermarkets shrink-wrapped in plastic.

Here is a link that might be useful: Shrink-wrapped in plastic

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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

The reason why is insufficient water and fertilizer and possibly too much competition from weeds.

They didn't self-seed.

Instead, the cloves you planted just plain failed to develop the multi-clove head you wanted because of the above reasons.

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galinas(5B)

If you let your garlic "flower", then you may have self seeded little bulbs that formed in the flower - they produce round bulbs first year.

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Slimy_Okra(2b)

The soil is probably too heavy and/or cloddy. The thin parts may be fibrous - try and see. Otherwise they look fine.

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ruthcatrin(5)

Cross your fingers though, they're saying we might hit 80 this coming weekend!

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fruitnut Z7 4500ft SW TX

We use row covers all summer in west Texas heat and sun. It doesn't get too hot under Agribon 19 single layer, double or triple. The Agribon 70 works as well. My buddy puts the 70 over clear poly when he wants extra heat.

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lkzz(7b)

It looks like an Ambush Bug (Google image it) eating some sort of blue leaf beetle. The Ambush Bug appears to be at the 2 o'clock position relative to the blue beetle in the photo.

Ambush Bug good; blue leaf beetle bad.

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catherinet(5 IN)

Gosh....I didn't even see a second bug! I guess I thought that brown was just something dying on the dill.
May I ask why blue leaf bugs are bad?

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zzackey(8b GA)

We trellis ours so they are easier to find. They still hide behind all of the leaves.

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planterjeff(7b Grant Park Atlanta)

Ill have to take a picture. I don't think it is blight as the plant is very healthy looking. Ill post tonight.

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farmerdill

It is also possible that your seeds were crossed with a white or striped eggplant. There are quite a few striped eggplants in the Black Beauty class and the market is not very diligent in providing pure OP seeds.

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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Newbie -- all newbies are a bit stupid and we were all newbies once! ;-) Are you planning a garden for next year? I would suggest if you would like to have better results you could try a raised bed on top of your rocky soil and ask a lot of questions as you go along with your growing efforts. If you need to keep growing in containers, the container forum is usually pretty helpful and some people there grow amazingly well in containers.

The plastic around the base of your plant would be fine if it were in the ground, although I don't use it at all. In a small pot, it would not offer a good result. Might make the soil too hot and traps moisture which can lead to disease.

Ken, I stopped growing cukes too, and tried them again this year and had a great year. I tried a new seed from FEDCO - Ministro - and it worked out really well. I have a glut of cucumbers all ripening around the same time right now. I didn't really see a cucumber beetle this year either, which surprised me. I imagine I got lucky and they will find me next year though. lol

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Newbie90

Thankyou for the advice, I'm going to do a raised bed where the stoney ground is and have a try at lasagne gardening in another part of the garden. I only got my garden in June, already learnt a few things from my mistakes. There is so much to learn though so thankyou for your help

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