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psnavy

Thanks for the insight. I'm gonna hop to it tomorrow.

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laceyvail(6A, WV)

I'm in zone 6A. Recently planted were turnips, Asian radishes and broad leafed Batavian endive. Going in soon are fall lettuces, followed shortly by winter lettuces and spinach. (Sown several weeks ago and up and thriving are collards, kale, beets and carrots.)

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tripleione(7a NC)

'Dwarf Blue Curled Vates' is a very well-rounded variety that I have been growing for a couple years. It easily dealt with heat up to 92° F, although it's hard to say how well it will handle zone 8 heat. It survives through the winter as well, even with several snows, freezing rain and below 0° F temps. I really like the look of the leaves as well. They're almost pre-historic looking, like something dinosaurs would eat. The seeds are sold at most Dollar Tree stores I've been to.

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BahamaDan ZTropic

I really like that summary tripleione. I think that's the variety I was thinking of. I'm at the lowest in zone 12a and I can't recall in recent memory that we've gone over 95F so depending on where in 8 it may not be too bad in summer.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

You can plant them far more than an inch or two deeper. As digdirt2 said above you can bury them right up to the first set of true leaves, even covering the cotyledons (if they are still present). If your plants blew over I would suggest you try putting them deeper next time. They have the ability to root from the stem. My purple sprouting, for example, has to stand from July until the following May in a wet and windy climate. It needs all the support it can get.

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marketgardener

Great, thanks for the feedback everyone. These transplants will be going out on friday, so we'll see how they do. They've been hardening off and look good to me, even if some are a bit crooked.

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defrost49

I've had spinach winter over and start growing again in the early spring without any covering. See if there are any local growers around who might have seedlings available. The backyard grower I get tomato plants from in spring is now offering seedlings for fall. Also, check with any gardening neighbors if you live in a hilly area. I'm in the colder part of zone 5 but because we're at a low elevation with hills on three sides, my garden gets a light frost around Sept 18. If I cover with something like Remay (I have a portable tunnel covered with Agribon) I can keep bush beans going for another couple of weeks. After a couple of cool nights, it usually gets warm again. Bush beans are about 6" high right now so I'm not sure I got them in early enough this year.

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jnjfarm_gw(5a)

I am in 5b my fall garden consist of every early spring crop plus bush beans

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Unless there is a non-organic border that it can't cross, something like plastic or wood edging set a couple of inches into the ground, grass is going to encroach on anything. Some types and even crawl over the non-organic borders. So consider putting in edging to frame the area, cover it with landscape barrier and decorative mulch and then use an arrangement of various large pots/containers set on top of it to frame in the garden. That way you can grow anything you want to in the pots, keep them under control, rotate their contents annually or even more often, move them around as needed, etc.

Just something to consider.

Dave

Something like this to give you an idea of what I mean.

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rjs5134

If he were not VERY apologetic, I would quietly plant some poison ivy on his side, preferably along the fence on the far side. Where I live he would not be permitted to store non-working autos on his property. i would notify the authorities. He may be in his right but he was an *** for doing it the way he did.

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shermthewerm(8 PNW)

rjs, we're not allowed to have non-working vehicles on our property here either.

I used to have an enormous arbor vitae hedge that divided our yards out front (he never pruned that--just complained, so I pruned both sides). Until the day he came out to tell me that if I put on a bikini I could charge money for people to watch me pruning! Gross. Arbor vitae hedge is gone & I had a 6' cedar fence put up--part of it is "good neighbor" part of it is solid to block one of the vehicles that's parked there.

Donna, yes I came home just as he was finishing his work. The hops weave in & out of the chain link so I'm sure some of it is still alive, it does look pretty bad though.

Galinas, not planning on starting a war. Probably some silent treatment and no more sharing tomatoes or eggs with him!

Marianne, while I understand he has the right to prune his side, I do question his timing & technique. The whole mess will be gone in October anyway..

rhizo, good advice. To answer your question, my husband's actually the brewer (I just grow the hops). He started at about time I planted them. He's not too into the flavored beers, but a cherry ale sounds delish. I'm trying to convince him to make me some kind of a hot pepper brew.

Thanks all for helping me make sense of this.

Beth

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jimmy56_gw (zone 6 PA)

Thanks SS, I did spray them good about 3 days ago with Spectracide 51000 Immunox Multi-Purpose Fungicide.

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city girl

glib 5.5 why plant turnips? I'm curious. Is that a way to control the grubs and rid the soil of infestation? I have four plants that got hit by what looks like powdery mildew but then the svb showed up. I thought the mildew weakened the plant to allow the svb to do its job. Please tell me about the turnip idea.

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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

Well, cats will probably add to what's in the bowl rather than pluck stuff out of it. Not that you wanted to know that ...

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millymoo zone6B

Update: soil test lab didn't call me back-on holidays. Will send sample off to university for testing instead.

In the meantime, 4 days ago, I planted 5 pea seeds in a bowl of the leaf mold, as per daninthedirt's suggestion. It was a struggle to find some of the only partially broken down stuff since the majority of the pile is well composted now which is good news for fall mulching.

No germination of pea seeds yet. I have this in the kitchen windowsill and so far no curious cats have gone into it and removed or added anything, :)

I pulled all plants from the beds and dug up & removed some of the soil and sure enough, I found uncomposted leaf mold about at root level and below. So I dug it up & removed it all. This we/end I will add lime probably and mix it well, assuming I have test results by then.

The tomatoes I grew in containers are doing beautifully and will probably get a crop of about 50 large toms and consistently getting lots of cherry tomatoes so I don't feel all is lost. I will still have to buy tomatoes, peppers & zucchini for sauce-making but that's not a significant hardship :)

Thanks for all your advice-will keep posted!

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Root aphids.

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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

Not dangerous, just remove the tops and do a thorough cleaning, just as always after you remove any veggie from the garden.

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gumby_ct(CT it says Z5)

Personally I avoid anything that will attract unwanted insects (esp from the neighbors yard). Even beer traps for slugs I feel will attract what is not yet a problem.

I remember during the 70s/80s using those "bug lights" to attract unwanted insects from the whole neighborhood. Maybe IF everyone has and uses one but not IF you are the only light on the block.

And IF you insist on using an attractant place it away from what you are trying to protect.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Do ladybugs eat caterpillars? I only know of them and their larvae eating aphids.

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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Go with the wasps. Or spray the plants with BT. Ladybugs won't help you.

Rodney

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shermthewerm(8 PNW)

Artichokes can get huge! Probably even more so in So Cal.

I should take a picture of my butternut--I know I way overplanted (2 seeds every six inches along a 20' row). It's my only winter squash because it's my favorite. There's a soaker hose in place, so I don't need to walk through, but by planting so densely the chickens don't mess with that area either! Otherwise, they'd either dig up the plants or peck at the fruit. However, this was done intentionally--the zucchini in my OP was not supposed to be that big as the chickens aren't allowed in the front yard garden & I would like to have access to it.

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ZachS. z5 Littleton, CO

I definitely OVER estimated the size of plants this year. 2/3 of the tomatoes are small, the indeterminates barely got 4 ft tall and hardly filled out the 3 ft of space between them and half of the det's were runty, too. beans kept getting pruned by slugs so most of them were scrawny, and the potatoes...don;t even get me started! Not really even looking forward to digging them up, I have a feeling it's only going to p!ss me off. Hopefully elk season goes a little more according to plan, since we sure wont be eating much from the garden this winter, all I've got is about a gallon bag's worth of frozen beans! Grocery bills have been high this year at Zach's house....

Two years ago, my garden was an absolute mess...in a good way, except it was kind of hard to harvest, lol. So, last year I went back to the drawing board and re-organized everything. Last year was another good year, still a jungle, but an organized one that time. This year... pfffft! Course, the weather has been crap and I probably need to do some heavy amending this fall as well.

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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

Well, if you're going to plant squash there next year, this is a great time to start composting!

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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

My DH is a pumpkin carver, and the farmer who we work with grows these warty things! They are, however hybrids, so you don't know what you're going to get when you plant the seeds! We planted our septic mound (have since found out we shouldn't do that!) and got all sorts of versions of those squash! Some were pumpkin/like, some PL, but dark green, some ghord/like, some striped! Most had some warts! All different! Just cut open that guy and save the seeds for next year! It's an adventure! I can't wait for the drought to be over to plant these again! They make a great fall table décor!

Also, we had so many from the seeds of one squash/ghord that we ended up putting them out on the road for people to pick up after giving a bunch to the neighbors! Nancy

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