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charlieboring

With heavy clay soil you need to add compost every spring and fall and maybe a bit of lime. For my clay soil in the spring I add lime, humus and manure bought from HD on sale and leaf compost obtained from the county recycle center for free. Finally when the plants are up, I mulch them with free leaf compost. In the fall I add a layer of leaf compost and if no crop is growing turn the compost under. Seems to work well. The soil in dark and fertile. Plants grow well.

    Bookmark     February 21, 2014 at 6:59AM
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woohooman San Diego CA zone 10a

Charlie: lime will raise ph. Not a good thing for alkaline soils. Especially since most veggies like it a bit on the acidic side or neutral.

If one wants to lower ph, one would add sulfur. Gypsum won't raise it or lower it.

Kevin

    Bookmark     February 21, 2014 at 1:28PM
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antipodean(10b)

just wait till you try the yellow and orange ones as well, you'll be in heaven!

    Bookmark     February 21, 2014 at 2:53AM
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charlieboring

My wife grows red bell peppers. She makes a spaghetti sauce by roasting the peppers and removing the skin and seeds. Then in a blender she places the peppers, an egg yolk, olive oil, and garlic cloves and liquifies it. She places the sauce over hot spaghetti which cooks the yolk. Delicious!

    Bookmark     February 21, 2014 at 6:52AM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

I built mine from 5/8" - 6" by 6' cedar. I stacked two boards. I figure for a 3' by 6' bed that is fine. Plus, the price (@ about $2.50 per board) is very reasonable. Not counting labor, each bed costs about $18. Not bad.

    Bookmark     February 9, 2014 at 3:44PM
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Vesparina

Please HELP!
My husband and I are at a difference of opinions about preserving the wood for our vegetable garden raised beds. He has already painted part of the beds with a white paint to preserve them. I would've rathered him not do this. My belief is that the chemicals will leach in to the soil then in to the veggies. Can this be remedied? I was thinking that maybe we can then either cover the painted part with garden sheeting plastic or apply a more non-toxic preservative over the painted part of the raised beds. Can someone please give me your opinion? He's moving faster than I can type!

    Bookmark     February 20, 2014 at 5:39PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Agree, although i don't think it is all that rare when one grows lots of plants from seed. Sometimes fasciated plants turn out ok but usually not worth the space and care so in the greenhouse we usually just pitch them as we find them.

Dave

    Bookmark     February 19, 2014 at 6:24PM
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Wildpixie87

Yeah, I am definitely going to keep it, I am really want to see what it grows into!

    Bookmark     February 20, 2014 at 2:33PM
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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

Yes, keep morning glories out.
For me I have absolutely no problem with nasturtiums.

    Bookmark     February 19, 2014 at 9:46PM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

Nancy, I have seen some impressive nasturiums in California, for sure! They don't overwinter here and never sprawl that much. They are so pretty, especially with heavy dew on them. No clue where the OP is, but somewhere that they have winter, so probably no trouble from the nasturtiums.

    Bookmark     February 20, 2014 at 10:33AM
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quone(10a Sunset 21)

I have pocket gophers. I read as many threads as I could stand, then went to work. I started with Juicy Fruit, the cheapest option. Nothing. Then moved on to pellets, gas and flooding. Nothing. The neighborhood cat tries, but is hit or miss. I ordered Cinch traps, and have a 100% success rate! Some are caught within an hour, but most are overnight. Minimal digging, traps don't get pulled in the tunnel, no need to block the hole after setting, proof that the pests are DEAD--what more could you ask for? The neighborhood cat has gotten better since I give him the dead ones, too. He has a taste for them now!

    Bookmark     February 17, 2014 at 3:06AM
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mckenziek(9CA)

Thanks quone!

I use Macabee style traps. I will look into the cinch traps on the strength of your recommendation. The gum thing is a known myth. There is a researcher in UC Davis who was able to feed captive gophers juicy-fruit for an extended period. He observed no obvious ill-effect. Apparently they do eat it, though. It just doesn't hurt them.

--McKenzie

    Bookmark     February 17, 2014 at 4:40PM
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Gurnoegardens

You're right that many kinds of lilies can be toxic... If enough is ingested. Unless you're planning to eat that soil there is absolutely nothing to be concerned about. In fact the flowers of Hemerocalis sp. (a.k.a. daylilies) are edible and with a mild unobtrusive flavor. You could actually plant vegetables immediately adjacent to Agapanthus or Hemerocalis without any fear whatsoever it's not something they exude which may then be taken up by other plants.

Besides that part I'm going to suggest a thorough amending of the spot before planting your veggies. Agapanthus and daylilies are famed for their ability to grow in horrible soil which is generally not so for vegetables.

    Bookmark     February 17, 2014 at 3:56PM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

I have been using salt on my asparagus bed ever since it developed fusarium crown rot which I discovered 4 years after I put in the bed. I use about 1/2-3/4 lb food grade rock salt late winter on a bed maybe 20 feet long. I have quick draining sandy soil.

Asparagus is one of the most salt tolerant plants known and for generations, growers controlled weeds by salting. When chemical pre-emergents entered the market after WWII, growers switched and then fusariaum crown and root rots began to invade beds. Salt prevents the fusarium rots, and as I can attest, also cures it You might want to take a look at the following:

â Rock Salt Supresses Fusarium Crown and Root Rot of AsparagusâÂÂ: openagricola.nal.usda.gov/Record/IND92009783

    Bookmark     February 17, 2014 at 6:21AM
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another_buffalo(6)

Wow! Thank you so much for that information. I'll check out the article, but your advice is just what I needed.

    Bookmark     February 17, 2014 at 11:48AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Looks pretty normal to me. I also grow the purple varieties and they are PUR-ple. That one isn't nearly as purple like they are.

Assuming your soil has adequate P in it, which most all do, then the cooler springs temps can often create the look of pink/purpling of many varieties of young plants as they have a bit of difficulty absorbing phos when the roots are cool. Usually disappears normally as the weather warms and the plants mature.

Dave

    Bookmark     February 16, 2014 at 5:20PM
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glib(5.5)

Due to a series of accidents I have three types of 'gus in my bed. And one of them is purple. My FIL used to have a giant bed of white asparagus which, my wife says, was ten times better than my own. so you just have a little mix in there.

    Bookmark     February 16, 2014 at 9:14PM
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emorems0(PA - 6a)

My cucumbers get planted right next to the zucchini, so I should treat them too, right? They didn't really seem very affected last year. Maybe because they were more affected by some sort of yellow wilting that I didn't notice much powdery mildew.

Can you tell me more about treatments? I've used baking soda/water because that's what I read can help it and I had it on hand... but it's harsh on the leaves so I tried to only use it where it was already slightly affected by the mildew (really bad leaves were just removed, the baking soda was only on the ones I was trying to save).

I'm trying to keep organic or, more importantly, non-toxic since my little girls like to help in the garden too. Is there a better alternative to baking soda that isn't so harsh to the leaves, but is also non-toxic?

    Bookmark     February 16, 2014 at 4:03PM
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woohooman San Diego CA zone 10a

All of the above that I mentioned are organic. I've tried the baking soda and milk before and didn't have too much luck but that was before I knew that proactive treatments were necessary for keeping PM at bay.

Neem works good, but in the summer when it's over 80F or the sum of the temps AND humidity is >140, then you shouldn't use pesticides et al. If you do use, wait until at dusk.

Potassium bicarbonate works well also. And for the money, is economical. I still lost my cantaloupes to PM last year but that was because summer came early here and I didn't practice what I preach by treating from day 1. It won't happen again! You can buy it online but wine and brewer's shops have it also. The brew shops wanted too much but I found a wine shop that sells it for $6/lb. So, shop around. Use at a rate of 4 tsp/gallon of water.

Yep. treat any cucurbit(cukes, squashes, melons) since they tend to be the most susceptible. I did see some on my maters last year, but not bad enough to inhibit production. Peas can also have a problem with PM, but it usually doesn't affect it until they're about done for the season anyway.

As far as the milk treatment, I've heard some rave about it. I also have heard some wide ranging ratios. From 10:1 to 4:1, from fat free to whole. Dunno.

Regarding toxicity, the harshness you mention may have been too much baking soda mixed with water. Try it about the same ratio as the potassium bicarbonate. It may have also been the whole temp thing I mentioned. With any treatment, do at dusk, and if it's going to be a scorcher and/or very bright(sun) the next day, rinse off in the morning. Good idea for any pesticide et al in the dead of summer..

Good luck.

Kevin

This post was edited by woohooman on Sun, Feb 16, 14 at 21:13

    Bookmark     February 16, 2014 at 8:44PM
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emorems0(PA - 6a)

I'm new to this forum and trying to go big with my garden this year so get ready for questions as spring approaches, lol.

Anyway, I've had both good and bad customer service at both Lowes and HD. Most recently was last Spring when I was trying to buy metal conduit to build my trellis frames. I went expecting to get a few pieces of 10' conduit cut to the sizes I needed and then connect them at home with 90 degree corner connections. Problem was, the first guy I found to help me said they couldn't cut conduit in the store and I knew I wouldn't be able to cut it by hand at home. The shorter pieces cost nearly as much as the 10' pieces so it would more than double my cost. Thankfully, a helpful employee was walking by and saw how frustrated I was with the first guy and stepped in to see if he could help. I told him what was going on and he says "oh yeah, we can cut that for you over in the plumbing department" THANK YOU!!!

For the most part, I've found the people in the gardening department to be completely useless. I've had pretty good service for the most part over in lumber though - usually get better service when I bring my sister and leave my husband at home, lol

Looking forward to hanging out here, I'm stepping into new territory in many ways with my garden this year and I'm likely to need help!

Melissa

    Bookmark     February 16, 2014 at 12:06PM
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woohooman San Diego CA zone 10a

Good luck with the new garden.

You can cut it at home -- a 5 dollar hacksaw does the trick in no time. I don't cut it though --- I slam rebar into the ground about 3 feet and then slip the conduit over it and drive that into the ground a foot or so. Slip on the corner pieces along with the horizontal, tie up those nylon trellis nets and voila!

You're right... garden center help is atrocious at both.

I have found that plumbing help is probably the most knowledgeable.

Kevin

    Bookmark     February 16, 2014 at 3:23PM
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littlelizzy123

Get a Baxter. Mine was free. :)

    Bookmark     February 10, 2014 at 5:45PM
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emorems0(PA - 6a)

I worried about rabbits the first year we had a garden because I had seen so many around the house already (despite having a dog). I bought short chicken wire fencing to put around the garden but ran out before I could finish the second bed. The second bed had several square feet of strawberries and carrots right in the front that would be free picking for the rabbits, but they never disturbed them... it seems that rabbits prefer clover and my weed-filled yard was FULL of clover. I'd watch them hop right up to the strawberries and choose the clover just in front of the bed and leave the strawberries alone. I was shocked, but in 3 years I've yet to put more fencing around that second bed and the rabbits never seemed to bother it.

If you don't want to deal with fencing, maybe plant a patch of clover for the rabbits away from your garden before deciding if a fence is really necessary.

Melissa

    Bookmark     February 16, 2014 at 1:19PM
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saoodhashim

You mean transparent roof but not the side walls?
But how can the temps come down just by transparent roofs ?

To clarify, our roofs are not like those slanting ones usually found in US. We have concrete straight roofs.

    Bookmark     February 16, 2014 at 10:13AM
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glib(5.5)

I understand. If you want to protect your vegetables from the weather, you have to allow ventilation or the temperature will rise. Standard vents in standard greenhouses can not remove a lot of heat. Also, greenhouses breed a lot of plant diseases, again due to poor ventilation. Hoop houses in this country are often made with removable sides, to insure excellent ventilation.

    Bookmark     February 16, 2014 at 12:34PM
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michael1846(6)

Well thank you :) this is why i love gardenweb. I was planning to plant them this sunday after i wash the roots (they are going to be used as an ornamental because i like asparagus leaves)

    Bookmark     February 15, 2014 at 7:55PM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

Where are you in zone 6 that you can plant anything now?

    Bookmark     February 16, 2014 at 6:51AM
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geosankie(5a NEPA)

I tape a length of wax paper to the tabletop. Marker and glue dots don't stick and the finished "seedtape" comes off easier.
A single sheet of paper towel works great for square foot gardening also.

    Bookmark     February 15, 2014 at 2:24PM
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nc_crn

Having done a variation of this many times I feel kinda stupid never thinking to tape the TP down before laying the seeds (which would help a lot). It seem obvious upon reflection. Thanks.

    Bookmark     February 15, 2014 at 6:10PM
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