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AFAIK even seed eaters feed their chicks on protein rich insect and larval foods. I welcome any birds to my garden that want to come. To me it's worth netting the berries and protecting seedlings to have birds around to enjoy watching and to keep down larvae, etc. I like to see how a robin will often accompany me when I'm weeding or digging watching for any tasty morsels I turn up. (European Robin, not the same as the American robin). In our tiny overcrowded island gardens are an extremely important habitat for birds.

Some years we have tried to feed the birds year round. Other years, they disappear after the first month of spring feeding and we stop filling the feeders until the Fall.
This year, with new larger vegetable beds, that had a fair amount of directly sown seed, I stopped filling the feeders a little sooner than usual. I definitely didn't want the squirrels in the yard who seem to enjoy disturbing seedlings in the ground and in pots sometimes.
But even with the feeders not filled, we seem to still be attracting a fair amount of birds. I've seen a pair of catbirds, and I think I saw and heard a pair of Carolina wrens the other day. We have English sparrows all the time, which I'm not that thrilled about, but tolerate them rather than struggle to keep them out of the yard.
We do have a birdbath, three of them that we keep filled. I would feel awful not to offer water to birds in an area where there is really no bodies of water very close by. I love to watch them and really enjoy the sound of them. BUTâ¦this year, we have new large trellises made of cattle panels for the vegetables and it ended up they are directly across from the bird bath, so the birds are perching on the trellis and leaving droppings. I'm considering moving the bird bath away from the vegetable garden, hoping that will keep them from using the trellises as perches.

Thanks for your help. I am so sad, as I have worked very hard to get my plants looking good, and. . . What about the rest of my garden, will it be okay? Does the blossom that turns black mean blight as well. What are the signs I need to look for. I noticed when I was digging a black and white or yellow and black caterpillar type critter. Do you know anything about this. I have been spraying with Neem oil extract. ??
This post was edited by mzcountrychic on Sun, Jun 22, 14 at 13:30

I am so sorry.
We had a storm come through a couple of days ago the knocked down some of my tomato plants too - built up the dirt around them and tied them to the fence they are planted along. Hopefully they will recover.
Looks like yours got tons of water which overwhelmed them. If it were me I would leave them alone and see what happens. Can you plant a second round of plants as a back-up? If the black was on the end of the fruit I would say blossom end rot - perhaps the over abundance of water is the cause.
The caterpillar may be an Armyworm. Need to remove and dispose of.
Here is a link that might be useful: Armyworms

Probably a good thing where I'm at -- everything's clay! I have a soaker hose anyways and it gives me more control over how much water they get. I hear they actually get sweeter melons if you slack off on the water when they're ripening because it concentrates the sugars, where as too much will dilute them.

I also wonder about the move into more sun as the problem. If you have experience of starting seed indoors, you understand that you have to gradually acclimate your new plants to more sun exposure before planting out. Maybe this is the same idea. Moving a potted plant from shade to sun should be done carefully. Maybe covering the plant or shading with a lawn chair until it gets used to the new location. Moving in a time period of 3-4 days of rainy cloudy weather. Etc. No experience with this issue though, just a guess.

Thanks, guys. I was thinking at the time that I did it that this was a move from full sun to full sun but I do think that it was probably getting afternoon shade from the tomatoes in the old location. So partial shade to full sun.
Now to find someone who will help me carry it back up the stairs!

Modern varieties of sweet corn generally produce two ears per stalk and don't produce any more after that. Older, heirloom varieties might produce more ears per stalk over a somewhat longer period of time.
Corn produces pollen from the tassles and silk from the ears at the same time.
Perhaps because your corn was water stressed it got a little confused and some ears silked too late to get good pollenation (that's why the ears are small with no or very few kernels forming). The one node with four ears coming from it is just a mutation that's not uncommon.

It is a whoopsie. You should plant spinach as soon as the ground can be worked. Now the soil temperature is too high and the seed has gone dormant. Expect spinach plants in that bed next year. When they come up, write down the date, subtract 15 days, and you will get the best time for planting spinach in your area.
Lettuce seed is more heat resistant. It germinated, but it will bolt soon. Mine has already bolted and was replaced by beets June 17, just ahead of the last several days of rain. Plant lettuce as soon as the soil can be worked, too.


In a previous GW thread, florauk said basil hates cold. I think that's the same person as floral_uk. Anyway, the thread's below.
You thinking there's a lack of minerals and such because of the high pH lockup? There doesn't seem to be any consistent pH info about basil on the web. It's all over the place.
Here is a link that might be useful: earlier GW Basil thread

Basil does not like cold, but it just goes dormant in cool temps and quits growing. I highly doubt that temp made it bitter. The ph may be, but my soils here in Denver are around 8 and my in-ground basil still thrives.
Some basils are much more camphor tasting. Did you grow from seed, or buy a nursery plant. It may have been mislabeled. Picture?


Maybe we have tougher weeds down here, but in my experience, even drenching both plant and soil with vinegar only kills the visible part of the plant, if that (and not always even that if you use vinegar from the grocery store). It's useless for serious weed control.
You have good instincts, Steve.

GW has a pest forum. I'm not familiar with it. May or may not help.The Garden Clinic

Can you plant both in the same hill about 10-12 inches apart? Then, in a couple weeks, you could remove the smaller or weaker one by cutting it off at the base rather than pulling or digging it up. There are often problems with small cucurbits when you first plant out, like insects or root damage. If you have both in the ground to begin, you have a better chance of ending up with a healthy one.

I guess you can't tell from the pics but there's actually 6 individuals in each pot, so I was planning on planting one pot, and snipping off the weakest 3 from that group after a week or two. I don't have the space for 2nd pot atm, so back it goes!
All this talk of this and that pot... starting to get the munchies. ;p
Edit: On closer inspection, it might be 3 plants with 2 stalks each forming a V shape that meet below the dirt. Is that normal for cantaloupes? Not familiar with out they grow. These are Super Hybrid 45, btw.
While I'm on it, can I use a black construction (garbage) bag cut open and with weep holes punched to cover the mound? I've read to cover the mounds with tarp or clear plastic but I don't have anything like that but the black construction bag.
This post was edited by Raptor666 on Sat, Jun 21, 14 at 16:01

I don't mind the pic confusion...takes a bit to figure it out. And who has the time when the garden needs tending, ; )
Some salad mixes the past few years have a mixed blend of salads and greens. Meant to be planted tight and cut young, then come up for another round or three...
To be eaten fresh, not cooked...but if grown thin, will obviously become a larger plant to be cooked...a few holes do not matter. They look healthy but don't really like the heat. Could get a bit tough and woody if not picked. Stops growing. A bit of shade helps.
And mulch...
A row cover keeps the bugs out. In the heat of July a bolt of tulle is handy to have for a cover...
I don't have BT but not a bad thing to have but i've not had the need yet...

sorry, what's "a bolt of tulle"? It's kind strange that this is the first year (over about 4 years) I have had a "bug" problem in my veggie garden...I never have before and have never had to used pesticides! I think the reason there is lettuce in with the collards is because I planted lettuce in fall but nothing came up so I planted the collards later, when the seed packet said to plant. I guess some lettuce decided to grow after all. Since I love most greens, I guess "mixed blends of salads and greens" will work out great for me! Besides, I don't mind...I'm pretty laid back with my garden - I do very little thinning out of seedlings, transplanting, etc., I let some weeds/grasses grow to keep some veggies off the soil. My main source of fertilizer is rabbit manure and some chicken manure. I usually end up with way more veggies than my husband and I can use. I love giving away my produce to friends, family, leaving some at church and the office, etc. I just love gardening - especially the experimenting part. Every year I try to add several new vegetables to my garden selections, even if I don't like to eat them - there's always someone out there that want them. When people look at my garden they are amazed that it produces as well as it does...I call it organized chaos...lol



OK, so Hansel, Gretel, and Fairytale aren't maybe what I'm after.
Slim Jim, if 4-6 inch fruit, is a bit small, but not bad. I see one reference to it that calls it out at 10 inch fruit, though! Louisiana Long Green look OK, but I think I'm not partial to green fruit. Japanese Long Purple might do it, but the 24-30 inch plant size seems way small. As does Pingtung Long. The Slim Jim plants are larger. I put my Ichibans on medium tomato wire frames (about 3 feet high), and it's perfect. So those with the smaller fruit have the larger plant?
Interestingly, these are ALL heirloom.
I have to say that Ping Tung has been pretty prolific for me. No complaints about production, and it loves the heat and humidity. EDIT I grow in earthboxes and all the eggplants I've tried grow well; it's just a question of finding varieties I really like.
I just want my ichiban, darn it.
This post was edited by conchitaFL on Sun, Jun 22, 14 at 16:58