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courtneysgarden

Yes thank you ZachS, very scientific, interesting info!!
Appreciate it.

    Bookmark     January 22, 2014 at 5:10AM
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ZachS. z5 Littleton, CO

No problem. Although I do have to correct myself (this is pretty common theme in my life....)

I was doing some research the other day on some other biology stuff and I came across in one of my other books a much better description of a eudicot then the one I had before. It seems I have forgotten more things then I ever actually knew...

Eudicots (meaning "true dicots") does indeed refer to plants which have three openings on the pollen grains (monocots have only one) but there are several other traits that differentiate the two. The number of "seed leaves", or cotyledons, and their structure (the fact I didn't remember THAT when its in the darn name is really embarrassing), Eudicots have two cotyledons, monocots have only one sheath-like cleoptile from which the flag leaf emerges. The cleoptile also serves to protect the seedling as it pushes through the surface. In eudicots, this function is preformed by way of hypocotyl, gently pulling the seedling through the dirt. The root structure is also different as monocots generally lack the tap root of eudicots. Leaf structures and vascular tissues are also different.

So, not that any of that is important or really relates to the post, I just wanted to correct my previous mistake.

    Bookmark     January 26, 2014 at 12:18PM
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gjcore(zone 5 Aurora Co)

With temps in the 30s it sounds too early to transplant them outside though if you construct a low tunnel then you might be okay. Low tunnels are really easy to make out of rebar, pvc, and builders plastic.

Maybe you want to hedge your bet some and leave some inside and put some out with protection.

    Bookmark     January 26, 2014 at 10:41AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

You might want to ask the Florida gardeners over on the Florida Gardening forum for advice on when they can go out. From what I have read over there your normal plant out date would be end of February but this year's weather there may delay that into March.

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Florida Gardening

    Bookmark     January 26, 2014 at 12:12PM
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amberroses(10a)

If powdery mildew is a problem for you, I'd find a resistant variety.

    Bookmark     January 25, 2014 at 9:53PM
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wally_1936(8b)

They use to use panty hose as the support product. They can be cut up and secured to your tresses

    Bookmark     January 25, 2014 at 11:54PM
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markwv

I would like to try Mrs.Amerson winter squash for this year's garden. Any comments on this variety for growing ,taste an keeping?

    Bookmark     January 20, 2014 at 9:26AM
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festus47(5)

markwv
I did not care too much for the Mrs Amerson but I only grew it one year and it could do well in your area. I got my seed from Sand Hill. Does not keep as well as a maxima.

My favorite so far is Canada Crookneck for a moschata and Sibley for a maxima but maximas are harder to grow here in the midwest. I only got three last year before the SVB got them. The others that set did not mature.

Our other favorite is Dickenson, a Moschata that I believe Libby used for their pumpkin. That is what we use it for; pumpkin pie, pumpkin bars, pumpkin bread, etc. Seed from Sand Hill. There is also a hybrid called Buckskin but I only see it from NE Seed. I usually try one or two new varieties each year so might try Sunshine this year and maybe Bucksin, but we really like the Dickenson.

I am really getting spring fever as this has been a cold snowy winter. Monday will be -20 and more snow tomorrow. Lp prices have skyrocketed.

DKH2

Looks similar to sweat meat but that is a maxima and your pumpkin-acorn squash would be c pepo more than likely. I had a cross with my Sibley last year so must isolate or hand pollinate.

    Bookmark     January 25, 2014 at 2:39PM
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kristianhun

Thanks for your replies.
I read a lot of thing about oca. And Oca is have to small yield. Maybe mashua would be better, but it's hard to get them. Mainly in europe this root vegetables are rare.

    Bookmark     January 25, 2014 at 4:02AM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Kristianhun - if you put 'crosnes' into the search box at the top of the page you will find several old threads about them. Putting in their alternative common name 'Chinese artichokes ' also yields some threads.

    Bookmark     January 25, 2014 at 6:27AM
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carolync1(z8/9 CA inland)

Magda is a great squash. Per Johnnys (I think) the supplier may be phasing it out. So this might be a good time to get seeds if you want to try it.

    Bookmark     January 23, 2014 at 10:02PM
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tucson_tomato(9)

I have grown this variety twice. It is a very good summer variety. The taste is quite good. It is somewhat resistant to Squash Vine Borers and it produces fairly well for the size. I have a blog post about my experience below.

Here is a link that might be useful: Rounde De Nice

    Bookmark     January 25, 2014 at 12:15AM
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ZachS. z5 Littleton, CO

Thank you Victoria.

I agree, at 6.95, zucchinis are almost cheaper per pound at the grocery store, lol. That is criminal!

    Bookmark     January 25, 2014 at 12:05AM
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tucson_tomato(9)

Dear Vic,

I think that price is really high. 5-10 cents per seed for a small packet is acceptable. Some hybrid seed sometimes goes for a lot more, but what is the use if you can only grow the plant once? There are some good open-pollinated varieties still left out there.

    Bookmark     January 25, 2014 at 12:08AM
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waterstar

Any one succeed in this yet? I'd love to make Black Kow pots.

    Bookmark     January 23, 2014 at 11:43AM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

#1Grind up cow........

    Bookmark     January 24, 2014 at 9:08PM
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VivVarble(8B)

I use smartgardner.com as well. It is easy to navigate, build beds of different shapes, find plants and all the rest. Good luck.

    Bookmark     January 23, 2014 at 7:25PM
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Prachi(6b (NJ))

The company which produces territorial seeds web application has a version for the ipad... check out growveg.com I have been using spreadsheets for a few years and this year I started the free trial with territorial seeds and boy is it easy.... and I will say I am pretty proficient with spreadsheets and I still found it nice to use the app.

My friend uses gardentracker which is also available for the ipad/iphone crowd.

(I am a android junkie so I am waiting for these guys to come out with a android version.)

    Bookmark     January 24, 2014 at 11:13AM
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plantslayer(8)

Thanks for all of the thoughtful posts. I am sure Blue Jade is a good one for me; it even looks blue at the milk stage apparently, and gets darken when its cooked. I will probably get that for an OP heirloom selection, and choose another from the local seed rack based on maturity time.

I was wondering, if I want the corn to have a chewier texture and be a little less sweet, could I just choose an SE type and leave it on the stalk a little bit longer than normal? Or do they suddenly loose all of their sweetness overnight?

    Bookmark     January 23, 2014 at 6:05PM
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planatus(6)

It is not a sudden transition from sugar to starch as you would see in older varieties. Silver Queen (normal sugary) would go past the milk stage faster than a good SE variety. I admit I don't really need the SE characteristic because we watch the ears like coons, can't wait to eat them. However, the sugar level of Luscious comes out at a balanced level after the corn has been blanched and frozen.

    Bookmark     January 24, 2014 at 8:22AM
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farmerdill

Eggplants are eaten in an immature stage. By the time seeds form, the edible quality is nearly nill. I prefer the oriental types for flavor and texture.

    Bookmark     January 23, 2014 at 4:51PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Farmrdill said it.

Harvest them immature, just like cucumbers. If you let them stay longer the seeds will get hard and may create digestion problem for some of us.
I also like oriental (Jap, Chi) varieties.

    Bookmark     January 24, 2014 at 6:30AM
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sandyslopes z5 n. UT

That's very nice of you to share this. I only had a $20 order, but was hesitant because the shipping added so much to it. So you helped me out, too. Thanks!

    Bookmark     January 23, 2014 at 2:10AM
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little_minnie(zone 4a)

I wish I had seen this yesterday. :-(

    Bookmark     January 23, 2014 at 5:42PM
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courtneysgarden

Do you have a picture?
Things like my kale & spinach sometimes seem to have been planted not deeply enough so the base of the plant ends up a little ways up the seedling's stem - they fall over then grow up from the base and seem fine after they get a little bigger. A picture of your plants might help.

    Bookmark     January 23, 2014 at 12:45PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

I've heard this is because of insufficient light / wind, but they get at least 7 hours of light a day and with the draft from the window, there's almost always a little breeze. Any tips? Is it because it's a low winter light?

Yes. There is simply no way windows can provide sufficient light for seedlings this time of year. It isn't enough hours, enough intensity, nor enough of a full spectrum. Even greenhouses use supplemental lighting this time of year.

This is a common question over on the Growing from Seed forum and there is a FAQ there about it.

Dave

    Bookmark     January 23, 2014 at 12:56PM
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Persimmons(6b Southern MA)

You say that you're concerned for space. Here's some things I grow in my garden that take up little space (so far):

Sunflowers: My 4 yr. old niece Jocie was SO EXCITED to go outside and dig holes to plant her favorite flower, sunflower. She learned about them in school and knew I had space to grow them. I dug up the grass with the shovel, but using a small trowel she dug holes to plant the seeds. To see her face when she came back to my house was priceless--the sunflower grew to be taller than her, and had not one seed to give back to her but thousands. I highly recommend sunflowers because you can plant a single row, and they mainly take up vertical space! You can grow them against the house, against a sunny fence, or just grow one for the heck of it.

Green Bean (bush or vining): Jocie also helped me plant the beans. Like someone said earlier, bean seeds are large enough that they instill some sort of mystery in children, it seems. Whenever she'd visit my house, it became her 'chore' to pick the green beans from the bean bushes. They grew low enough to the ground that she had an easy time hunting for the beans, and I was able to interplant some catnip and rosemary which made the experience a bit more sensory. We didn't realize why we weren't getting a green bean crop until we noticed that she was eating every last bean she'd pick! The plants grow low to the ground, and didn't bush out more than maybe 2'x2'. I've read about making bean teepee with trailing beans, and including a small door so that children her age can walk into the teepee to pick the dangling beans. This would be LOADS of fun for a child, but would take up considerable amounts of space.

Stevia: If you can get your hands on it, and if you can provide it a moist, not-too-hot place, stevia is a winner. I grew a lot of herbs in my garden, and one of Jocie's favorite things was to rub the leaves and guess which plant was which based on the odor. Stevia, on the other hand, is a leaf you'd have to taste to identify. This was a good learning experience for her (some plants are safe to eat, others must be identified by smelling/etc first). The leaves do not have a particular odor, but taste of sugar cubes. The bush grows as big as you'll let it grow (it did well when clipped, ripped, eaten, etc) and it is a FAVORITE with Jocie, and probably all kids. What kid wouldn't love a sugary treat in the garden?!

    Bookmark     January 22, 2014 at 11:03AM
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zzackey(8b GA)

I'd love to see a picture of your mesh cages. I was thinking of the metal ones when I made my comment.

    Bookmark     January 22, 2014 at 1:25PM
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Maxim1122

OK, thanks a lot Dave! I'll go with the standard method.

    Bookmark     January 23, 2014 at 10:44AM
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