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CarloMartin947

It's good to leave it if you can, but if the result is too snarled with old roots and stems, it's just as effective to remove them to a compost pile and allow the decomposition process to proceed a bit further. You can always add that well-rotted material back into the bed for the next crop. This link might help:

Biodynamic French Intensive Method

Here is a link that might be useful: Alan Chadwick

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 4:53PM
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bejay9_10(zone 9/10)

If you are in zone 10 - as I am, this is the time to renew the soil and be ready for seed and seedling planting. October and November are our biggest planting months for the cool weather crops.

I'd dig out all the roots unless the planting area is not to be used until later time. The matted roots will not be a very hospitable place for young plants to try to push roots into.

In colder climates, with impending snow, the wet soil would soon reduce any roots and provide mulch for later plantings.

If you intend to plant soon, however, as I am, it would be best to dig deep and amend the existing soil with compost, bone meal, etc., and if any disease is suspected, stretching a clear sheet over the bed first - letting the sun "solarize" the soil first - would be beneficial.

I'm already ordering my seeds and amendments - getting ready for the big "October" push - here in zone 10.

bejay

    Bookmark   September 14, 2013 at 8:40AM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

Hmmm, it isn't exactly from the garden but I did grow it myself- roast heritage chicken! Extra fresh and extra good. I did include a fair bit of tarragon from the herb garden inside it and under the skin.

    Bookmark   September 11, 2013 at 10:27AM
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NilaJones(7b)

Oh, yummy!

I made the coconut zucchini soup again. So good! and it reminded me of this thread :).

    Bookmark   September 14, 2013 at 1:30AM
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CarloMartin947

A good general discussion on moles and gophers can be found here:

Biodynamic French Intensive Method

Both moles and gophers are a problem throughout the SF Bay area. Gophers tunnel deep, whereas moles crawl just under the surface. Gophers you can trap fairly easily, but moles are more difficult. See above link.

Here is a link that might be useful: Alan Chadwick

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 5:15PM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

All of the above!
Most of my garden is in raised beds lined with gopher wire. I just mentioned the chattering devices because they actually have been working very well for us. I would be very afraid to try the garden without the hardware cloth!
When I create a new bed, I always dig/loosen the soil as deep as possible, then add horse manure Then I add the box lined with hardware cloth, then the soil/compost mix from the landfill (working some of it into the soil to fill in pockets before placing the box!)
Lastly the chattering devices! This year we tried them on our septic mound and they all went away! Just saying.... Nancy

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 9:09PM
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Mark(Oregon, Zone 8)

If they're full sized, they will probably turn orange on their own. If the vines are dying, you can't do much except wait. Keep in mind that if there is any chance of hard frost, you should take them inside.

-Mark

    Bookmark   September 12, 2013 at 11:39PM
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socks

I accidentally broke off a solid green one, and it turned orange. I kept it in the shade, dry.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 8:22PM
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CarloMartin947

Sow a nice, thick, crop of fava beans in September. They will protect the soil against heavy rains, fix nitrogen into the soil, and provide you with a lot of good organic matter to incorporate into the soil directly or add to the compost pile. Fertilize them with some well rotted cow manure or rich compost. See this link for more suggestions:

Biodynamic French Intensive Method

Here is a link that might be useful: Alan Chadwick

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 4:47PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Any combination of the things mentioned. I used to bury a lot of fall leaves(layered). Some people plant rye, clovers, to be tilled in in the spring(green manure)
I would not add any manure now, because the nutrients will sink down by rain and snow water, unless you cover the bed with plastic.

I consider soil test and liming ,if needed, most important part of fall preparation. If your soil happens to be excessively acid, fall is the time to treat it. It take months for lime to get activated and bound into the soil.

This post was edited by seysonn on Sat, Sep 14, 13 at 4:56

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 5:16PM
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clairdo2(3)

My lettuce is now bitter and tough. I was told you can cut it off and plant the root part it will grow again. Is this true ?

    Bookmark   September 4, 2013 at 2:15PM
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CarloMartin947

Another great classical lettuce is Bibb. A good discussion of overall lettuce culture, with photos, can be found here:

Biodynamic French Intensive Method

Here is a link that might be useful: Alan Chadwick

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 5:01PM
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elisa_z5

CaraRose, in my experience nobody but gardening nuts like here on GW even thinks about planting crops in September, and so I can never find anything to plant at a nursery. I've had really good luck with planting seed in mid September, and then covering the new seedlings in October. Still, I wish you luck finding bedding plants!

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 3:54PM
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CaraRose

Last year I found mixed lettuce (last six pack). Not sure if I'll luck out again there. Chard was easy to find because they sell fully mature plants as well as seedlings as ornamental here. My local nursery has bright lights chard everywhere.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 4:44PM
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ediej1209(5 N Central OH)

I've not grown that particular one, but we planted something called Dinosaur Eggs from Henry Fields this year that sounds like it might be similar. We have greatly enjoyed them. Especially like them sliced about 1/2" thick slices with some olive oil rubbed on and grilled. They have been pretty prolific, even with all the weirdness Mother Nature "gifted" us with this summer. We will be planting them again next year hoping for the same good luck as his year's crop. Hope yours do well also! (We'll have to compare notes next year!!)
Edie

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 2:35PM
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farmerdill

Never tried the Golden Egg, have grown round yellow zucchini ( One Ball, Sun Day). Dinosaur eggs is a mix of round grey, green, yellow hybrids. Golden Egg appears physically identical to Grenade.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 4:21PM
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thirsty_dirt_77(3a)

Thanks for the suggestion carolyn. I normally prefer it just slightly under being completely ripe, a full ripe squash seems to sweet.

I thought that if you cooked it when it wasn't ripe you wouldn't be able to stringy noodle like texture.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 11:08AM
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carolync1(z8/9 CA inland)

I think the texture is kind of like Asian yam noodle or bean thread when the squashes are immature. It may not be possible to get LONG "noodles", depending on the stage of maturity.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 2:02PM
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wertach zone 7-B SC

I have 4 cuke Volunteers in my pole beans this year.

I didn't notice them until they had latched on to the trellis and were blooming.

All of them are very close to the beans about 1" away and they are doing very good.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2013 at 12:44PM
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vgkg(Z-7)

It has been said that tillers will compact the soil over time, the lower layers become "deadpan" is what I recall about it. The soil forum may have more specific info you're looking for.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2013 at 4:37PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Sure you can. It is an heirloom/Open Pollinated variety. Only concern would be if you grew other varieties also so that it may have been cross pollinated but the odds are slim.

Dave

    Bookmark   September 10, 2013 at 11:07AM
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carolync1(z8/9 CA inland)

If there were no other melon varieties growing within a couple of hundred feet, odds of cross-pollination are slim. If other melons were growing nearby, odds of cross-pollination are pretty good.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2013 at 9:31AM
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CarloMartin947

My suggestions would be to mix that compost with some good soil and sow into that. Most sowings fail for one reason only: the seed is covered too deeply. A general rule of thumb is to cover the seed approximately three times its diameter, no more. The link below will take you to a site with plenty of information on sowing seeds. Click on "Techniques" then on your subject.

Alan Chadwick

Here is a link that might be useful: Alan Chadwick

    Bookmark   September 11, 2013 at 4:49PM
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DixieGardner(7b)

Thanks for the ideas. I'll go out in a while, cover the bed with some topsoil and resow. My collards are doing well, but have to have some turnip greens or my fall garden won't be complete.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2013 at 4:31AM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Sorry, that would be EXPOSITION! LOL Nancy

    Bookmark   September 11, 2013 at 9:36PM
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mckenziek(9CA)

I'm not that far away. I should really go next year.

--McKenzie

    Bookmark   September 12, 2013 at 3:29AM
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terrybug

Thanks for all your advice, We been dealing with them for over 20 yrs. But so far this years they really haven't done much damage to my yard. They would always come up on the same spot in my front yard but so far they haven't. they been busy out on the sideswalk area.
My side yard also they haven't bother too much so far, just getting that area back to normal meaning keeping it water so that the grass is finally coming back. Have tried the trap caught some, use the motion thing but didn't work. Planted solice garlic plants around borders of my front yard n so far no activity there. Last year I was growing a type of squash in a pot in my side yard they came up n bite thru the vine. That why I mostly plant in pots.
Thanks again for your advice.
Terry

    Bookmark   September 12, 2013 at 12:43AM
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mckenziek(9CA)

Hey, Carlo, I couldn't find the gopher information in that Chadwick link. But if you make sure your bed has vertical sides at least two inches above grade, the gophers will not try to climb over it. Climbing is not their thing. They are blind or nearly so, and highly specialized for digging. In their tunnels they are very difficult to get, but crawling along on the surface, they are sitting ducks for any predator that comes along. So they try to minimize time above ground, and the last thing they want to do is climb over a piece of wood. I have never seen a gopher inside a gopher-proof bed build the way I describe, but there are some things that can go wrong. For example, sometimes there could be a tall gopher mound right up against the edge of the bed. That mound, if you don't kick it down or flatten it somehow, could become a ramp for a gopher to get over the edge of your bed and thus gain access inside. Also, if you use poultry netting instead of hardware cloth, the holes are too big and the gopher can dig right in.

I don't use poison, but Kevin is on the right track (based on my experience, anyway). Also, if you dig down around the wilted plant as soon as you discover it, you can find the tunnel the gopher used to get to the roots. In this tunnel, you can set a single trap (because you know which way it will be coming from), and often catch the gopher within 24 hours.

I don't think gophers are smart enough to deliberately spring the traps with dirt. I just think that when they are digging new tunnels, they push large columns of dirt in front of them, and so they sometimes spring the trap without getting caught.

I don't think nancy is nuts at all. But I do want to know the exact model of noisemaker she uses to deter the gophers, because I have seen several models that were not effective (either for me or for other people).

Garlic does not deter gophers. They like garlic.

I have had them bite through pumpkin vines. Very frustrating. They eat just a little, and kill the whole plant downstream from that point.

I think gardening would be a lot easier and more fun without gophers.

--McKenzie

    Bookmark   September 12, 2013 at 3:27AM
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