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grendelsdad

OK, I'll leave them be. Sorry -- I should not have used the word "dispose" ! I was not planning to harm them -- just wondering if there was a way to move them safely. But it seems not, so I will leave them in peace and hope one day they return the favor to my lettuce. :)

    Bookmark     April 12, 2015 at 5:14PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

<and hope one day they return the favor to my lettuce. >

Welll, that might be expecting just a bit too much. :)

Dave

    Bookmark     April 12, 2015 at 5:36PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Weeds are a fact of life in gardening. You'll have them either way. :) However wasting good, proven-to-be-productive soil would be awfully difficult for the gardener in me to do so yeah I definitely use it. As you move the soil many of the clumps of weeds should be easy to pick out and toss.

Dave

    Bookmark     April 12, 2015 at 1:18PM
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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

Weeds are self-seeding, so if you do a decent job weeding this year, next year will probably be easier. If the seeds are getting blown in, putting in new soil isn't going to help in the long run. If you don't do decent weeding, it's going to end up filled with weeds as well. The weeds aren't a property of the soil. They've been added to it. If it works, use it.

    Bookmark     April 12, 2015 at 2:55PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Sure you can. No reason not to.

Dave

    Bookmark     April 12, 2015 at 1:19PM
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gumby_ct(CT it says Z5)

I grow cukes up by tying a string (using jute twine) to the seedlings stem and running the string up to a crossbeam I have screwed to my bed frames. This holds even during the hurricane winds CT has at the end of the growing season when plants are loaded with their fruits.

It works so well I also tie up any other vines as well as tomatoes which can be heavy during Aug. & Sep. and works much better than those useless tomato cages.

I do use those cages for peppers and eggplants.

While any string or wire will work jute twine is compostable yet holds for the the growing season. Even if you don't compost the fall cleanup plants it makes cleanup easier since the plants can be quite twisted around the string. I would not use something you think can be re-used each year.

    Bookmark     April 12, 2015 at 6:58AM
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Ohiofem(6a Ohio)

I actually use those trifold tomato cages to trellis my container cucumbers. This one works perfectly in a large container for four to six plants.

    Bookmark     April 12, 2015 at 8:31AM
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slimiest_okra

Thanks Dave. Good to know that BiotaMax has a positive reputation. It's something like $6 for a quarter-acre, so not too bad. I have limited garden area and would like to try minimizing the occurrence of Verticillium wilt in eggplants and peppers.

    Bookmark     April 11, 2015 at 8:41PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

I believe that BiotaMax needs to be reapplied every week to thirty days, while RootShield suggests every 6-8 weeks. RS can also be applied in tank mixes with almost anything, including fungicides. That's extremely important for commercial applicators.

BM is not OMRI certified, RootShield is. That's also extremely important to certified commercial growers, not so much for back yard growers.

RS promotes soil borne disease protection as its primary purpose. It can be used on seeds, cuttings, in any kinds of growing medium including mist. It can be applied through fertigation and misting systems at the same time as soluble fertilizers.

I really don't think that the two products can be considered the same, so comparing the price alone doesn't make sense.

Click HERE for information about RootShield

    Bookmark     April 12, 2015 at 6:40AM
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albert_135(Sunset 2 or 3)

Mexibelle(?) perhaps? A hybrid that looks like a common red bell pepper but develops ''hot'' when left on the bush.

    Bookmark     April 10, 2015 at 3:57PM
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Miss_Moose (Winnipeg, Canda. Zone 2)

I dunno but that's pretty neat!

    Bookmark     April 11, 2015 at 6:26PM
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rook81styles

jnj, I have clay soil, so probably retains moisture well, but I've read that seeds and seedlings need constantly moist soil. I know a less frequent deep watering encourages stronger root growth, but I thought that was once they're well-established. I watered Friday afternoon and am out of town until Tuesday evening, so I have a friend watering either this evening and tomorrow evening, or just once tomorrow afternoon. Supposed to get some rain Tuesday morning. Sounds like you think they'd be fine without water from Friday til Tuesday.

    Bookmark     April 11, 2015 at 5:45PM
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rook81styles

Thanks again for the input vgkg. The info I got says the plots are rented 3/15 through 10/31 and that all plots will "be cleared of any and all debris/material by October 31st." It also says parks & rec is responsible for tilling at beginning & end of the growing season. Yeah, so that along with delaying the opening a couple weeks and not having water available due to a water line break, and then the 15x15 plots actually being more like 13.5x14, it's not a perfect situation, but my options are limited living in a townhouse.

Regarding carrots, I was planning have a total of nine 3' rows stagger-planted over a period of about 2 months, and then replant the rows throughout the summer as I harvest them. I guess I'll stick with that plan and just harvest all remaining on 10/31 Regardless of size. I'll also try to give my other fall crops a bit more time to mature by 10/31.

    Bookmark     April 11, 2015 at 6:21PM
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garybeaumont_gw(TX 9A)

Your beds look good. You might consider growing bush beans if you plant them within the next couple of weeks. They do well in your area. You could plant purple hull peas in May. They are one of the few plants that tolerate the hot Texas summer. If is probably too late to plant potatoes. The hot weather will be here in less than 60 days.

Just remember that in Texas we really have 2 short growing seasons, spring and fall. Many people plant tomatoes in very early spring and plant another crop of transplants in July for a fall crop of tomatoes.

Bell peppers are a challenge but sweet banana peppers and hot peppers are easier to grow. Bell peppers tend to make early in summer and then just sit there until the fall when they will put on another crop.

Square foot gardening tends to put plants too close together for Texas gardens. As you may know tomatoes can get over 8 feet when put in cages. In raised beds you do plant things closer together but if you are not careful you can have a grown up "jungle" Plants need to have air circulation with the humidity that we have.

    Bookmark     April 9, 2015 at 7:22PM
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Tracy West

Eggplant,hot peppers,okra,corn,basil,armenian cucumbers,long beans,Lima beans and cowpeas will all do well for your summer heat. Amaranth,too.

The hot peppers may not fruit until it cools a little but will survive the summer and be ready to go.

    Bookmark     April 11, 2015 at 5:17PM
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Peter (6b SE NY)

I decided to grow Kennebec this year, they are known as a good all around reliable variety. I planted them today, in a similar climate to yours (also 6b). (Potato Garden where I bought them recommends planting no earlier than 2 weeks before last frost date... the foliage can be killed by frost.) I grew potatoes last year, and they are not a particularly difficult crop to grow, relatively speaking.


http://www.potatogarden.com/2015PotatoGarden.pdf

    Bookmark     April 11, 2015 at 4:35PM
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Ohiofem(6a Ohio)

I've found red potatoes the most productive with Russian Banana fingerlings a close second. But I like russets, and they are kind of stingy. I grow them all.

    Bookmark     April 11, 2015 at 4:41PM
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balloonflower(5b Denver CO, HZ 5-6, Sunset 2b)

I would advise against that unless your night temps will remain over 50. Basil is a heat lover, and lower temps than 50 will lead to stunting that it may not bounce back from. And for me, basil germinates in three to five days.

For me, I'm a zone behind you and for the most part basil doesn't go in until the end of May. I do some earlier, but in an Earthbox that is in a small, enclosed (6') townhome backyard next to the brick. It creates enough microclimate for the basil to thrive, and can be brought inside if we get a cold snap.

    Bookmark     April 10, 2015 at 9:41PM
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Peter (6b SE NY)

Yeah I know it is far from ideal. I was just going to try a very small patch. Last year though I transplanted basil way too soon and it was damaged a bit but bounced back no problem.

    Bookmark     April 11, 2015 at 4:29PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

I wouldn't. Even in my zone I don't plant peppers out until mid-May as they prefer much warmer soil temps than tomatoes. It is far too easy to end up with stunted growth, lower yields, and BER - a common results often discussed on the Peppers forum.

Even then I always check the actual soil temps before transplanting them and make sure it is at least 65 degrees. Sometimes that means waiting and transplanting them into larger containers indoors to tide them over.

Dave

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balloonflower(5b Denver CO, HZ 5-6, Sunset 2b)

If you're going to try now, I would use black plastic to make sure the soil temp stays up, and consider water walls to make mini greenhouses for them. If not, I would just put in larger pots. I don't plant my peppers until May, even with water walls.

    Bookmark     April 11, 2015 at 2:58PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

I'd contact them and ask why. The only reason I can think of is compost can have adequate water retention issues to get the crowns established or that you don't feed just transplanted crowns until they show signs of growth and that would only explain it if they are assuming the compost is nutrient rich - which it isn't.

But given all the time (no it isn't soil, compost becomes humus not soil) since you made the bed, personally I wouldn't worry about planting them in it. I also would not count on only compost to provide enough nutrients for them once they do show growth.

Dave

    Bookmark     April 8, 2015 at 4:43PM
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weedyacres

I emailed Nourse and they said 2 things:

  1. If not fully composted, there could be some viable seeds that could sprout and compete with the asparagus. So keep it well weeded.
  2. Unfinished compost could burn the roots. I could try planting pansies to test this if I wanted.

After we dumped the soil + compost last summer, we had a large crop of volunteer canteloupe, from the seeds in the compost. This is definitely more of a cold compost than a hot compost, and there was a lot of older "soil" (don't know the exact composition of the raised beds that we transplanted and mixed with the compost). And it looks and feels pretty done: no remnants of the origins except a few nut hulls and the odd eggshell.

Given the above, plus the fact that I've got the crowns and need to get them in the ground, I went ahead and planted them. When I dug the trenches, I mixed in some of the native clay soil with the topping, so hopefully that will help. I'll be vigilant with the weeds and hopefully will start to see some ferns in a few weeks.

    Bookmark     April 11, 2015 at 9:39AM
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Shule(about 4a)

Oh, I see you can get still buy both of those evergreen bell pepper varieties, if they're not secretly out of stock.

    Bookmark     April 10, 2015 at 6:47PM
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Shule(about 4a)

Wait, Permagreen links to rareseeds.com, which doesn't carry it anymore.

    Bookmark     April 10, 2015 at 6:50PM
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tsugajunkie z5 SE WI

And now for something completely different...the crunch dance.

Water and ammonia is fine for hosta but other plants might burn (brunnera comes to mind) so be careful. When I do hand pick them into soapy water they end up in the compost heap as do Japanese Beetles.

tj

    Bookmark     April 10, 2015 at 5:10PM
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gumby_ct(CT it says Z5)

Ammonia never bothered any of the vegetable plants I sprayed. Don't forget ammonia is diluted with water or added to water until the slugs fall off the plant is what I recommend. I start with 1 part ammonia to 4 parts water.

Ammonia dissipates pretty quickly so there is no plant damage.

The very best thing about using ammonia in a spray bottle is "you don't have to touch the slimy things".

The 2nd best thing is you often get slugs you didn't even see. They are noticeable cuz they squirm as soon as the ammonia hits them.

The hardest part is you have to do this at night but you get to see other things that affect (live-in) your garden this way.

    Bookmark     April 10, 2015 at 5:33PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Keep in mind that 5-1-1 is an outdoor container mix primarily. And most of the advice on fertilizing is also for outdoor plants as Container Gardening, by its nature, is an outdoor gardening method, not indoor. For example, container grown tomato plants growing outside are often fed a 1/4 to 1/2 strength well diluted fertilizer every 10 days to 2 weeks but we are usually talking about containers bigger than 5 gallons too.

Make a note to yourself next year to not start your plants quite so early, 6-8 weeks tops before plant out date. :)

Dave

    Bookmark     April 10, 2015 at 2:54PM
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gardev

Thanks Dave. I did ask about using 511 indoors and was told it was the same, other than simple modifications for different purposes.

    Bookmark     April 10, 2015 at 3:53PM
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