23,948 Garden Web Discussions | Vegetable Gardening

Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

Sounds like how our fall started over here in Maryland. Especially the part about wanting to calm the allergies and green things up. It did finally turn into quite a nice fall here, with some warm days, some cold days, some sunny days and some rainy days. The good thing about the weather is it is variable. It always changes eventually!

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 8:21AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Seyson, you're rain and drizzle all the time, aren't you?
I'm just north of SF in the wine country (Sonoma, NOT Napa!). Very Mediteranian.
But this year is even dryer and warmer than I've ever remembered!
I hope we aren't in for another drought! Nancy

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 9:25PM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Zackey .... those are called bulbil. You can the escapes after certain stage and keep them in water for a while. The bulbils will mature(like wild onion bulbils). Then you plant those and you'll get small single clove garlic. If you plant them again, then you will get normal garlic.

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 7:54PM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Garlic bulbils don't always produce rounds in the first year. I used to think this too because of everything I had read. Last fall I planted some bulbils and most of them that I planted made whole bulbs this summer but they were small. Below is a link showing the small bulbs.

sweetlydark- How big are the bulbs in the picture and do they have individual cloves or not? Where were they planted (inside or outside)? Were they in pots and if so, how big were the pots? How much light were they getting? I know it's a lot of questions but the more info you provide the better.

Rodney

Here is a link that might be useful: My Bulbil Experiment

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 8:42PM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
donnabaskets(Zone 8a, Central MS)

on the root ball. The more you can loosen the roots, the better. But ,of course, you should take care to not break anymore roots than you have to. Put them in really good soil and water in well. If you live in Zone 5, you probably ought to provide some protection from cold too, like floating row cover, cloches or a cold frame. I suspect the plants were marked down drastically because it's very late for them to go into the ground and make much to eat this year. As the weather gets colder, the plants almost stop growing, if they don't freeze to death. But I live in Zone 8, so I could certainly be wrong! Good luck. You have very little to lose, so it's cheap experience.

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 5:49PM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
elisa_z5

Thank you, donnabaskets!
I'm actually on the outer banks of North Carolina right now, helping a friend with a very small garden. It is SO fun to plant things in this zone (I think it's 8) that I know won't freeze, and may not even vernalize. Back home it's snowing!

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 6:58PM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
uscjusto

Well I only planted cucumber seeds and have never grown melon before.

I don't even know when this fruit is ripe to eat it.

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 10:17AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

It almost looks like a Lemon cucumber crossed with the plants that the supplier was saving for seed. Lemon cukes have a shape similar (not quite the same) as the round one in your pic but obviously the color is way off for a Lemon cuke.

And there's only one way to find out if it's edible: taste it. There's no point in waiting around as cucumbers are edible at nearly any stage.

Rodney

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 12:08PM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
ameera(z11 Dubai)

Before I initially I posted this thread, I had done a google search for "camel manure fertilizer". I had read that it is very popular in Australia. But I just now did a google search for "camel manure fertilizer UAE" and got this info from a veterinary site here in UAE:

"Dogs that are walked on the central grassy reservations pick up lots of ticks. We believe this is because the lawns in Abu Dhabi are fertilized with camel manure that includes loads of ticks..."

So I am giving up on that plan! d

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 7:38AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

Hmm. Not too surprising about ticks. But of course if you're going to dig the manure in, not sure what difference it would make. For the lawns, I'm pretty sure it isn't dug in. I think ticks require blood feeding at each several-month stage of their life-cycle to survive. So I would think if you got some older, dried up patties, you might be good to go.

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 8:53AM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
ameera(z11 Dubai)

Wow that is a lot of damage. It looks like a plant couldn't survive that!

What kind of squash is it?

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 7:41AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
CaraRose

It was a zucchini. I hadn't realized how bad it was till I went to cut it down after the frost.

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 8:43AM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Instead of using hose sprayer, I use the garden pump sprayer. Then can also add your favorite recipe for them aphids. This way I can do it surgically with less amount of water and more effectively. This past season I had major aphid problem on just my eggplants. I used Sevin dust. NO GOOD. Spray was better.

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 5:20AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

With only 4 plants you could easily take a bucket of soapy water to them and wash the leaves by slooshing them in the bucket and cleaning the leaves with your hands or a sponge. There's really no need for sprayers or chemicals on 4 plants.

    Bookmark     November 7, 2013 at 5:45AM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
elisa_z5

I have found great differences in leaf shapes and in taste from different packets of seeds. If you find a variety you like, then stick with that seed. If you don't like it, yank it up and try different seed. What is in the photo doesn't look like sylvetta to me -- my sylvetta has always looked almost feathery with very small, deeply indented leaves.

Also, if you really like a variety you can let it go to flower (the flowers are also edible) and to seed, and just leave it alone and you'll probably end up with a self seeded patch of arugula you like. (works most of the time -- though sometimes it doesn't come true.)

If you're buying seedlings, just grab a leaf while no one is looking and taste it to see if you like it :)

Johnny's selected seeds has a number of different kinds of arugula, with descriptions of each, and their seed is true to form every time (I'm had some companies where one year it's great, the next year not.)

    Bookmark     November 6, 2013 at 5:13AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
glib(5.5)

Yes, there are different breeds. Generally the more lobed the hotter. None is really "better": in a dish that requires spice, or for pesto, the lobed ones are best. Even for mixing with tomatoes lobed is best. For straight salads we mostly prefer the milder rocket. You can make it milder with more watering, partial shade, and growing season.

Lobed varieties are smaller than cultivated varieties, but culture matters just as much as variety when it comes to size. The very same bed and very same pack will give me different size of plants depending on season and watering.

    Bookmark     November 6, 2013 at 9:06AM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Jacey192

I'm pretty sure it is slugs. I've been doing research on lettuce vs spinach preference for school as are my classmates and the slugs prefer lettuce, usually leaving the spinach untouched.

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 1:01PM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

EARWIG is often overlooked. Because they are snicky. They come out at night like slugs and snails but the are smart and run away and hide. They hide in similar fashion to slugs in the cracks, under rocks/stones, ...during the day. They eat much bigger holes than flea beetle. Also they start with the parts of the plants close to the ground(like slog/snail) while flea beetles eat the top most leaves. Of all these insects, slugs damage is more severe. A big fat slug can eat a whole seeding in one sitting.
Another thing is that flee beetles love peppers and eggplant, tomatillo .... all in the nightshade family. FB damage is only critical when seedlings are very small and not when on the established plant.

One more thing: Slugs have chewing/eating pattern similar to caterpillars. The will not usually eat in hole or circular pattern.

This post was edited by seysonn on Wed, Nov 6, 13 at 5:53

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 6:46PM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
pnbrown

and the other giant ag-gloms, Glib. Monsanto seems to provide a lot of PR-cover for Syngenta, et al. Accident?

That's interesting Seyson, though a little too involved for my style...

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 8:10AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
elisa_z5

Glad I found this thread, hiding (ahem) in a post about rain.
I've just recently become enthralled with the idea of growing corn for grain. I"d want it for polenta mostly.

Is there a specific grain miller anyone can recommend? Researching them was overwhelming.

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 8:27AM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
annew21(7b NC)

Thanks, all, for your help. I was really hoping I could pull the plants up.

-Anne

    Bookmark     November 2, 2013 at 8:46AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
carolync1(z8/9 CA inland)

If you also have ripe squashes, you should use the unripe ones first. I think Seminole Pumpkin has an especially hard shell, and it will probably be quite firm even before the fruit is ripe.

If the skin is still tender, use like zucchini (maybe saute with garlic or onion rather than steaming). When a little older, try in soup (peeled or steamed, then scooped out of the shell). If almost ripe, you can probably bake it.

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 1:48AM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

My chokes have never made it overwinter yet, but we've had some funny springs and I have never really mulched them. Voles really seem to enjoy their roots, which is a problem in my light soil here, and the ones that have survived winter predation usually snuff it in the freak late frosts we've had. Oddly, my cardoons always make it fine with absolutley no fussing from me. Have you tried contacting Monticello? The folks who run these historical places seem to enjoy talking to interested folks about how they replicate what was done all those many years ago. I haven't tried the folks at Monticello on artichokes but I did recently spend a day talking to curators at many historical parks about Dorking chickens.

    Bookmark     October 30, 2013 at 9:47AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
NilaJones(7b)

I'm in zone 7, and people here don't cut them or cover them. I have seen them survive as low as 8 degrees F.

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 1:35AM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
ltilton

It's true about soil temps. But regular cold water from the hose should be sufficient to keep roots cool.

    Bookmark     October 29, 2013 at 2:02PM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
bejay9_10(zone 9/10)

I've found that the heading types - Bibb and Icebergs - withstand heat better over longer periods of time, and with much less or little bitterness.

The leaf types seem to be more tender and susceptible earlier.

    Bookmark     November 4, 2013 at 3:44PM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

I'm not even close to being ready due to my tendency to procrastinate. I've got to dig my garden beds and add 400 gallons of grass clippings to them. I've got to add about the same amount of shredded leaves to them. I've got to mulch my beds. To get the leaves I need, I pick up the bags of leaves that people put out to the curb (I don't have any mature trees in my yard) and shred them. I'm still waiting on my sunchokes to die down so I can harvest them, add compost to the bed, and replant them. There's nearly finished compost I need to screen. I've got to build a new compost pile. I've got to start some new leaf mold piles (actually they aren't piles, I use garbage cans with the bottoms cut out to contain them). I have to build a shelter for the semi-stray cat that hangs out at my house (technically its owner is across the street but the cat stays at my house for the most part). There's sod that I have to lay down as I recently moved a portion of my garden due to invading maple roots. I have a bunch of tree seeds that I need to plant (about a dozen different species). And my garage needs cleaned up, it's a real mess in there.

Rodney

    Bookmark     November 4, 2013 at 11:11AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
ameera(z11 Dubai)

Our growing season started just a bit ago... although the temperatures are still in the low high 80s to low 90s and nights are mid to upper 70s.

I actually should have planted seeds 2-3 weeks ago.. but I wasn't planning on growing anything this year. Then I caught the gardening bug and decided to just try out a few things.

I finally successfully grew tomatoes last year so I will try some peppers and eggplants that I failed growing 2 seasons in a row. Will plant seeds tonight.

I think I will grow a few cucumber plants... hopefully to get at least a few cucumbers, but to use them as aphid bait in hopes they will leave the peppers and eggplants alone. I will practice washing away aphids and spraying them with a soap spray mix (last 2 seasons the soap spray mix turned the leaves yellow and brown... even though I followed instructions the first year, and 2nd year I even diluted it more)

I have these molds to grow cucumbers in that will shape them so when sliced they are heart and star shaped. The cucumber varieties I have are too big but at least if I learn to deal with aphid problems this season I might be successful growing the right cucumbers to use in the molds.

And since I failed at growing flowers last year I will try some flowers. I really can't believe I failed at growing flowers. Some varieties like zinnia were described as very easy to grow but it wasn't working for me!

    Bookmark     November 4, 2013 at 3:28PM
Sign Up to comment
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
farmerdill

Appproximately one inch apart in the row, rows 10 inches apart. No more than 4 rows at a time so there is a place to walk when harvesting. I use pea plates in a mechanical planter.

    Bookmark     November 3, 2013 at 9:29AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
kathyb912_in (5a/5b, Central IN)

Jennie, I can't help with your climate questions, but snap peas are wonderful fresh. Since you've never grown them before, you could always start small and see what you think before committing a large space to them. But if you've got the space available, definitely go for it. (As for the weather, if you're only talking a couple dollars for a packet of seeds, try it and see what you get -- if they don't grow well, save the rest of the pack for late winter/early spring and see if that works better.)

As far as support, I've grown dwarf snap peas in containers with an inexpensive tomato cage (the flimsy WM kind) in the middle to help get them started. They do cling to each other, but they also cling to the wire cage and I think this helps them withstand wind a bit better.

For harvesting, snap peas are eaten whole -- you eat both the pod and the peas inside, all at once. The pods are nice and crunchy when raw. You can also add them to stir-frys or just steam them as a side dish. We tend to mostly eat them raw in our house. They are one of those "pick a handful while out in the garden and eat half of them before you get back to the kitchen" kind of veggies. :)

Good luck!

Kathy

    Bookmark     November 4, 2013 at 1:17PM
Sign Up to comment
© 2015 Houzz Inc. Houzz® The new way to design your home™