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greenmulberry(5-Iowa City)

They should keep growing fine if you set them back upright, and then really stake the cages well. This happens to me almost every year, it is very windy where I garden. I use large cages but it takes me a long time to go around and stake them all.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 10:53PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Those 3-ring cages, IMO, are "good for nothin".
At this stage there isn't much you can do. Jus try to support them as much as you can. I would also consider some pruning to lighten them up a bit.

    Bookmark   July 18, 2013 at 4:53AM
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hobbiest

I wait until the silk turns brown and emits dust when flipped with a finger.
At that point, I will fold back the shuck a bit and see how the ear is progressing. When I can get an ear to emit a milky white liquid when pierced with a fingernail, I pick.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 6:39PM
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Creek-side(5)

Trial and error is the surest method. After a while you can tell by the way the ear feels in your hand.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 11:05PM
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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

What is the likely hood of over watering some things before getting it figured out?

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 7:43PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

What is the likely hood of over watering some things before getting it figured out?

It's possible of course but with careful monitoring for the first week or so you should be able to ID any problems and fix them. And it will take some experimenting to get the time on and frequency set (most run them too often and for too short a time).

But an emitter can always be replaced with a slower one or traded with another faster one somewhere else. Drip tape can always be moved, spliced or Super glued shut and re-cut later if needed.

Don't misunderstand me - no system is ever perfect. Tears and holes happen, emitters get plugged, hard water is hard on the system. And no system can be just "set and forget" no matter how small it may be. But when compared to other methods it benefits both the plants and the gardener.

Dave

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 10:53PM
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potterhead2(z5b NY)

Dave,
You said "Personally I think there are many other organic fertilizers available that have a much better documented track record than these two."
Can you list a few of these other ones?

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 9:17PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Lots of discussions here - and on the Organic Gardening forum - that the search will pull up.

Just a few brand names:

Neptune's Harvest
Maxicrop
Earth Juice
Worm's Way
Espoma
Bioform
Alaska Fish
EB Stone
Foxfarm
etc.

They all make several different products.

Then if you need individual nutrients or micronutrients there is always Bat guano, Alfalfa Meal, Bloodmeal, Cottonseed Meal, Crab Meal, Greensand, etc.

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Organic Gardening forum

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 10:25PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

But for future reference "proactive [preventative] bug control", regardless of the spray used, is never recommended. Not only because it doesn't work - the control has to be sprayed on the bugs - but because it almost always kills more beneficial bugs and harms more plants than the bad bug would have done in the first place.

Proactive fungicide use does have a place in the garden since they are primarily preventatives, not cures. But even then only under certain conditions and only when the spray used is actually a fungicide.

But YouTube, as a source of information, should always be viewed with a skeptic's eye until that info can be verified by other sources.

Still you learned a valuable lesson for the future. :-)

Dave

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 8:37PM
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herbalcroft

Thank you. I really did learn a lot from my post so I'm glad I asked the question. Now, I have two quart jars of really smelly "Linda's bug juice" I need to throw outside somewhere. Phew! Thanks again for your help, I did learn from the post.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 8:51PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

It is a sharpshootet leaf hopper of some kind....maybe the Glassy Wing Sharpshooter. Look that up and see if images compare favorably with yours.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 8:20PM
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2ajsmama

I'll just go with the lowest dosage then. Wasn't sure if it should be even lower but don't want to spray. I don't know what's on my stems either but since I've seen the moths and haven't removed any eggs (just SB eggs) I figured I'd better inject.

DD thinks it's funny that I'm going to give my plants shots.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 6:41AM
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squirrelwhispererpup(9a)

I used one teaspoon in a 16 oz. cup of water. I got 18 gauge blunt tipped syringes from amazon. They are not medical grade and are sold for craft applications (precision glue and paint jobs, for example) but they are still sharp enough to pierce a squash stem. They can become clogged with plant tissue, however, so I made the entry hole with one needle and then used the other for the injection. Once the needle enters the inside of the stem you will realize how hollow even a healthy stem is because there is no resistance to the injected solution. Protect your eyes and any bystanders if you decide to do this. I had a needle splat off the syringe and found it in the garage. On the plus side, I dissected my squash stems because they finally petered out and I had to pull them; I found some evidence that a borer may have entered at one time but no borer itself, the stem and leaves were still healthy and the rest of the stem was not affected. I used a three pronged approach to the SVB this year: spotting the eggs with insecticidal soap to smother them whenever I found them; soaking the stems with a Bt solution sprayed until runoff every three days; and injections once a week. I think the injections were probably the most effective measure. I had squash for as long as the weather permitted but when it heated up past 100 degrees, they were done (and so was I).

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 8:09PM
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raistlyn

You are right that the pot is probably too small but oh well, next year i will do better.

I just read somewhere that eggplants that feel hard and very firm are UNripe! If they are too matured, their flesh would sink in when you pressed them. Now im confused... so is it TOO ripe or UNripe?? In any case, it wasn't ripe.. :p

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 3:50PM
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Slimy_Okra(2b)

That's right, and only unripe eggplants are edible. Ripe eggplants are seedy, bitter and generally not fit for consumption. The harder and firmer they are, the better! Picking eggplants is a bit of an art too - you have to compromise on how hard and firm and shiny they are versus how big they are. Basically, it's the exact opposite of a tomato! The more mature, the worse the taste. In addition, the riper they are, the tougher the flesh is after cooking. It's all rather counterintuitive but eggplants are tricky that way.

Your eggplant was probably just about to ripen, which combined with the water stress contributed to bitterness.

This post was edited by Slimy_Okra on Wed, Jul 17, 13 at 18:47

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 6:43PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

I will keep them in ground as long as top is green. If soil temps remain under 75F(or so), tubers will grow. On the other hand potatoes need 3 to 4 month (from sprouting to harvest), depending on the variety. Yours are right in there.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 2:23PM
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gardenlen(s/e qld aust)

they don't need to flower before harvest, i wouldn't worry too much about those spots, let them die off then harvest.

len

Here is a link that might be useful: lens instant potato patch

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 4:44PM
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uscjusto

I think the consensus is that you still have time. Zone 9 has a long growing season too so just plant them.

Would you plant something else instead? If not, it won't hurt to just try cucumbers now.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 4:29PM
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wittyraven(4)

Well I was trying to pollinate with them even though I couldnt see any pollen. And my squash were dieing... they stopped dieing after I started pollinating with the zucchini blooms... just strange.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 2:30PM
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raistlyn

Really strange because I was wondering the exact same thing yesterday! There was a female flower open and the male flower was almost open so i pealed it open and to be surprise, there didnt seem to be any pollen!? Just the yellow clump in the middle. I went ahead to hand pollinate anyway but I dont think I succeeded because the fruit behind the female flower doesnt look any bigger today... this isnt my first time hand pollinating but ive never come across a male with no pollen! Hoping things will get better next round!

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 3:47PM
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farmerdill

Many yellow zucchini go dark green with high temperatures. Have not had a real problem with yellow scallops like Sunburst or Sunbeam. What variety are you growing? One Ball quickly becomes green with firts heat wave.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 3:30PM
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ccabal(7)

Creek-side,
The advantage of a pumpkin is that you can bury the vine. I suggest next time you grow pumpkin, bury your vines with dirt as much as you can. They will root at many different places along the vine, and those buried sections will not be as susceptible SVBs.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 3:10PM
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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

This has probably been covered elsewhere, but I'm wondering about whether Bt stem injections are useful as an SVB damage preventative. Perhaps a stupid question, so bear with me. My understanding of the usual strategy is that you wait until you see the frass, and then squirt Bt into the hole to kill the bugger. But why not just fill the vines with Bt solution? Yes, that's maybe a lot of fluid, but the Bt is cheap. Very diluted. I can make tens of gallons for a few bucks.

Instead of inspecting all the vines carefully every day or two, this way, I figure I'd just pump 'em up say, every week. I've never done Bt injection, as I like row covers, but row covers are hard to do for non-vining cucurbits, like zukes. How many gallons (ounces?) of Bt does it take to fill up a zuke plant? How long does the fluid stay in the stems? Do they leak?

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 3:30PM
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njitgrad

The kitchen knife did the trick. I cut through halfway and then snapped it off gently. I didn't want to go all the way through with the knife and injure the plant.

My wife was thrilled that she got two more today after the first one yesterday. Man they grow fast. Zuchinni, that is :)

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 2:18PM
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newyorkrita(z6b/7a LI NY)

They do grow fast. And taste best if you pick them young and tender.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 3:04PM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

I've always wondered about injecting Bt into squash stems. Am I understanding it correctly now, that basically the idea is it is coating the inside of the hollow stem, not getting it into the tissues? Would cutting a small slit and introducing the Bt with an eye dropper also work?

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 11:07AM
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CaraRose

Any way to put the BT on the inside of the vine (where the little @$!@#*#*#$*$%%*%*%*$!!$#&*#$&*'s eat) will work. I think a needle probably will cause less damage than a slit.

As long as it isn't a marinade injector. I mauled my plants trying to use that last year. Too big and awkward of a needle.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2013 at 12:50PM
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