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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

This is a duplicate post. Your original post is linked below.

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Your original post

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djkj(9b)

Dave - thanks, I did not realize there was a forum dedicated to Ginger.

Nancy - Good luck, its an amazing experience!

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terry_neoh(5b)

Be sure to plant them feet down.

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elisa_z5

I enjoyed reading the stories from you folks who have started small businesses -- thanks for writing in detail.

"I lose probably 90% of what I grow due to animals and other people in the house"
Desirai -- now THAT sounds like a story not yet told!

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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Though each state might have its regulations, but in general, for small scale operations there is no need to get a permit or license or register, unless it has something to do with public safety and health. Some state might require licensing just to make some revenues, just like licensing a street peddler.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

How often will depend on what you use to feed them. Gus is a heavy feeder.

If you use only compost then 1-2" layered on top 3-4x a year. You can't really OVER-feed them with compost.

I use manured composted on my beds and feed them liberally in early spring before spears sprout, again once harvest in done, again mid-summer, and again in the fall as a mulch for the bed after the deaf ferns are removed.

But keep in mind that compost alone won't feed them unless you have a very active soil food web established in the bed. And even then it takes time for it to work. So a handful of watered in compost doesn't do anything for them now.

If you use a good well balanced granular fertilizer you can probably get by with 2x a year. Or you can use one of the many good organic liquid fertilizers once a month when you water the bed.

Dave

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ltilton

Agreed. It's very common to harvest lettuce and spinach by picking individual leaves instead of the entire plant. At that time, you could discard the outermost leaves, which are often getting pretty battered by then anyway.

If you harvest the whole plant, the oldest leaves will likely look even more unappetizing.

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catherinet(5 IN)

Thanks slimy_okra and ltilton,
I'll just wait until they grow for awhile, then discard the oldest leaves and begin to eat the newer leaves.

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Flako

Here is a shot of the Squash Plant and some info for all of them:

They were planted about 3 weeks ago, have been on a light box for about 16hrs a day and now I have brought that amount down to 14 since I started noticing the change in the leaves.

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Flako

Cucumbers

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tommyr_gw

I use a garden pitchfork or a shovel but my bed is only 3 x 8' currently.

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djkj(9b)

For an 18'' raised bed, you could use a fork and just work up the soil. We had 16'' raised beds and never had to use a tiller. Tillers are good but make sure you don't shred the worms!

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Slimy_Okra(2b)

I find eggplants to be quite heavy feeders like tomatoes and I fertilize them similarly.

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djkj(9b)

Nice to know everyone is trying to grow different varieties and the opinions about them. I have had great success growing Black Beauty. Yes they do need heavy fertilizing in the growing season. The results are worth it :) I have been using an organic fertilizer with lots of bacteria in it and it seems to provide good amount of soil activity (lots of worms!)

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rwh999

I just bought my house last june and was told the previous owners brought in the soil for this garden. The neighbors said he had a good garden every year. I have not done a soil test yet. I have increased the watering and the plants are looking a little better (except for litte black flies on the new growth on the bean plants I think they are thrips..) but nothing Is growing great. I have another jalapeno plant that I planted by the house and not In the garden that Is probably 2x as big as the one planted at the same time In the garden. It Is planted In a small bed that looks like It had regular soil mixed with gardening soil. I prepared the soil by turning it with a shovel as deep as I could get it and adding about half a bag of black kow brand composted manure and turned it in real well. This is not a raised bed garden. I have some tomato tone and some garden tone coming that I was going to use on my next days off. I am also thinking of doing a soil test.and then adding the tomato tone and garden tone. Any other ideas on what I should do?

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Slimy_Okra(2b)

How much are you watering?

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Slimy_Okra(2b)

Just to make you guys feel better...low of 0 F expected tonight! I've installed two layers of Agribon 19 plus six-mil poly for protection. The most sensitive among what I've already planted out includes beets and chard which don't really like anything below 25.

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ltilton

I've mostly got brassicas out, but one row of lettuce. I'll cover that. Got two flats of brassicas not yet put out, luckily.

The onions can fend for themselves. The potatoes are under straw.

The soil is supposed to be at 50 F four inches down, so the seeds may be OK. Can always reseed.

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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

The question is : PEPPERS FERTILIZING.

I am also interested to know: ARE PEPPERS DIFFERENT FROM TOMATOES? how/ what/ why ?

This year is going to be my major pepper adventure. Probably mostly in containers, using 5-1-1 soil mix. I have dolomitic lime (with Ca and Mg.), plus CRF (MG Shake n Feed). These all go in the mix. WHAT NEXT ?

I have grown hot pepper with some degree of success in the past but not the sweet ones. I have given up on BELL types all together.

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ZachS. z5 Littleton, CO

A lot of things cause flower/fruit drop, it's my experience that peppers are kind of touchy in that regard. Too hot, they drop flowers. Too cold, they drop flowers. Too wet or too dry? You guessed it, they drop their flowers. It's like goldilocks living in your garden, they like it to be just right! I wouldn't automatically assume it was the nitrogen. As Dave said, that will cause them to be big, beautiful, bushy plants, but will fail to develop very many flowers to begin with.

I too, have almost given up on bell peppers. I have tried containers and I never get any peppers. This year, they are going in the raised bed, if they don't work out, I'll be done with them for good.

I second the Vegetable Gardeners Bible. That is a great book. I have several on my bookshelf, but, find that many of them are, at best, good intentioned, at worst, downright misleading. Keep in mind,when reading books, that there is simply far too much info and even more variables to put into a single volume. They can be helpful places to start, but don't always take their word as gospel. Don't be afraid to experiment and fail ("negative results are still results", as I learned from the Big Bang Theory) and go against the grain. Really that goes for the advice given here too. What works in my garden may not work in yours, and vice versa.

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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I would suggest you at least check around with some of your friends to see who may have a van or truck that could help you out. Two people and a larger vehicle would make the job much easier. Also consider using a wheelbarrow when you get home with full containers and put the wheelbarrow up to the trunk and tip the full containers into it.

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lilyd74 (5b sw MI)

You guys rock! I have the compost waiting on my parking pad for digging this weekend. Thanks, everybody!

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Slimy_Okra(2b)

Yeah, the brassicas are among the fastest to germinate especially if kept warm (80 degrees). However they should be kept cool (60-65) as soon as they emerge and afterwards

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Creek-side(5)

Yep. Contrast that with peppers, which for me take 10-15 days. Tomatoes for me take maybe 4 days. All of this is at probably 80 F.

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Slimy_Okra(2b)

Yes, cover them. Ground frost can occur at several degrees above freezing. Use hoops or other types of supports to keep covers from touching the plants.

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topsiebeezelbub(z7 Al)

Pathogens can grow in plain water...no need to add manure and stir. Ever throw out a vase of flowers that made you gag?

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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

Well, that wouldn't be plain water then, it would have a broken plant stems leaking out lots of nutrients. And if you're trying to make a correlation to sprouts, you are not supposed to have them sitting in water either. It's part of what I like about my trays, good drainage.

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