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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

One of the first things a gardener needs to learn is how to recognize suitably moist soil. In general, plants like soil that is moist, but not sopping wet. You can recognize that kind of soil by feel (moist soil feels noticeably cooler than dry soil) and by color (moist soil is noticeably darker than dry soil). You sure don't want to be routinely squeezing water drops out of your soil. I think "finger deep" is too deep for dry soil. The rule I've hear is "first knuckle deep". Definitely NOT good to keep the surface moist. That just invites fungus and bacteria.

Of course, you can also just look at your plants. They'll tell you if they're thirsty by drooping. But if you're going to go that route, you'd better be looking at your plants every day. Once they droop, they're at risk. Some plants are more tolerant of dehydration drooping (e.g. squash) than others (e.g. peppers, tomatoes).

Bottom line is that you can't water by calendar or by volume. It's going to depend on temperature, sunlight, wind, and to some extent how much plant you've got sucking water. Don't assume Mother Nature will do most of the work for you. Mother Nature is very tolerant of a dead garden.

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jolj(7b/8a)

I live 18 miles from my garden, in Spring I water once a week, about 5 gallons of water per plant.

I do this by tilling my sandy loam soil(if you have heavy/clay soil, do NOT water as much as I do) the I dig a 12-24 inch hole, 12 - 24 inches deep according to the plant.

Tomatoes 24 X 24 with compost in the bottom of the hole.

Peppers,squash,collards 12 X 12 with a little compost in the bottom of hole.

I plant the plant in a dish 3-4 inches deep, add 1 inch more compost, water then mulch.

Each week I fill the dish up, in hot Summer & Fall I water 2 or 3 times a week.

Remember I travel 18 miles after an 12 hour day just to water my plants & harvest my fruit.

If you can walk out back to your garden then you can check,water,weed,mulch everyday.

I have not lost one plant to this system in 5 years.

And my orchard is doing great too.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

The kale is still tiny so unless you want baby greens I'd leave them be.

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NewTXGardener (8a Dallas)

My cucumbers were kinda like that too at that stage, I think mine even looked worse. I think it's bugs, not sure. But now they have big leaves and look strong.

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srkinney

yeah, my potatoes are finally up Iam so happy

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srkinney

I will send pictures soon

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Menards - CRW Panels

They are a common gardening accessory used by many to make tomato cages, trellis for climbing plants, etc. Lots of pictures of them in use on both this forum and the Growing Tomatoes forum.

If you checked the older thread on this issue that I linked for you above it contains a link to numerous photos of them in use.

Dave

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vidnand

Thanks jngfarm_gw & digdirt2. Found this @ lowes & will grab it tonight or tomorrow.

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planterjeff(7b Grant Park Atlanta)

Time to get some cats :)

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NewTXGardener (8a Dallas)

Or dogs! ;-)

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mmiesse

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Very interesting! Thank you! Your program sounds awesome - I hope it's successful for you. I will definitely utilize this plan for learning purposes!

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illiveggies

@mmiesse - let me know if you end up creating an account - I can transition this plan to your account. Its free for this season. The account will provide you with the list of activities and weekly email reminders.

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galinas(5B)

I have the same problem. Beets died for me twice this year - first in the ground, second in the deep cells. And not only beets. All root crops this year are terrible - carrots died, turnip, that I NEVER had any problem with wilting few in a day, and it is not a root maggot, as I have it covered. I guess the most problem at least in my area is a huge difference between soil temperature(bellow norm due to the long winter) and very high day temperature(90+F). I heard that cold roots can't pump water fast enough to keep up with what leaves evaporate. Naturally, we try to water already wet soil and create perfect fungus conditions... I seeded beets again in the ground, hopping that the weather finally getting it sense...

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agardenstateof_mind

The only thing I've noticed is that the trusses seem to form in hardest to reach location :-)
Very nice tomato plants!

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bwood1982

No lie about that. Lol

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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

Gosh, someone with a pasture should know the identity of milkweed! Does he graze animals where there's lots of milkweed?

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glib(5.5)

This is similar to milkweed but not one. And I have had them for a long time side to side. Milkweed has thicker stems and wider, glossier leaves. Perhaps henbane or swamp milkweed?

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LoneJack Zn 6a, KC

I start my lettuce in plug trays about 3 weeks before transplanting outside. 2 seeds per cell and they sprout in about 2-3 days then I thin to one plant per cell at about one week. Begin hardening off at around day 12. Transplanting from plug trays is very easy as you can just pull the plant out by the leaves with the root ball and stick it in the hole. I am growing Little Gem baby romaine, Nevada Batavia, Jericho Romaine, and Red Velvet. Most heading type lettuces are ready to pick in 50-60 days.

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mjalso(6)

I like New Red Fire -- crisp ruffled leaves tinged with red. It's very slow to bolt and tastes sweet even when you get a little white milk in the stem.

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Peter (6b SE NY)

DTM is much longer in the Fall. I blame my lack of success with Fall gardening partially on the lack of sun, and the huge amounts of pests. Germinating and seedlings in summer heat is also a challenge. I am not sure I will try any major summer plantings this year.

    Bookmark     March 20, 2015 at 5:52PM
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illiveggies

Another online tool that helps in planning for succession planting is EdenPatch. Full disclosure - I have been growing vegetables in a community garden for the past 12 years, and am part of the team that is building EdenPatch.

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stef2222_7b

Why didn't I think of that?! Yes, collards.

Thanks so much!

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zzackey(8b GA)

LOL! Sometimes the obvious is too easy!

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sweet_daddy_zim

We have a lot of rabbit pressure, but we have had minimal garden losses despite having no fencing whatsoever -- I spray the perimeter of our raised garden as well as plants whose leaves I don't plan to eat for a week or more with a peppermint oil-based, non-toxic spray. It smells good to me, but apparently the rodents aren't thrilled.

There are some other sprays which use "putrescent egg solids" or garlic which seem to be effective. Some of these are tolerable-smelling, others are horrific smelling to humans...but only for about 2 days, then our poorly developed noses fail to detect the residual scent. Other mammals seem to remain grossed out for weeks.

Part of our success is also probably due to the fact that the cats and dog occasionally kill a rabbit. The cats have no interest in squirrels and the dog is too much of a spazz to catch them, but the squirrels don't show a lot of interest in our garden most of the time.

We also have voles which the cats kill ALL THE TIME, but as the cats are getting elderly (and we're DONE with cats after these two), I'm going to sink a foot's worth of wire mesh vertically along the perimeter of the garden box I'm remodeling just as a prophylactic for our eventual cat-free future. The dog thinks dead voles are gross and the live ones are apparently too slow-moving to be of any interest chasing.

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gumby_ct(CT it says Z5)

Squirrels and birds are difficult to deter...
I have a toy (plastic) snake I bought some years ago to deter birds in the garden. While I am not sure it does deter birds I have seen it deter (on many occasions) a squirrel that comes up on our deck.

IF you know where the squirrels enter the garden a toy snake may work - but then it may not. Tho it is worth a try to have a garden ornament ;)

I have successfully used rose & blackberry trimmings to deter birds and squirrels from damaging seedlings.

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planterjeff(7b Grant Park Atlanta)

I have my peppers in raised beds too with great drainage, but we had 3 weeks of straight rain/clouds and I noticed mine turned a little yellow green too. But after a week of full sun they are now back to normal. It could be this. Have you noticed the color getting back to normal now that we've had a week of no rain?

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Green Thumb

Planterjeff, I have noticed the bell peppers are beginning to kinda come around. It may have just been all the rain and cloudy weather. Can't say for sure, but I haven't done anything else to them. Keeping my fingers crossed. The New Mexico chili peppers I planted still aren't doing so good, but that could be due to the hot humid weather. It gets hot in New Mexico (where these peppers originate, but not as humid as South Louisana, so that could be the answer to those peppers. Thanks for the input.

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ilodato

Each spot looked like this. I have 4 bunches like this. How many seeds would you guess that is? It looks good today still but it did rain, so....

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

That looks fine.

Chard 'seed', like beet seed, is actually a cluster of individual seeds. So if you sow one 'seed' you inevitable get a cluster of seedlings. So your pants could just be the result of a single 'seed.'

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