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woohooman San Diego CA zone 10a

Good deal Kosch. You may want to hold off on the calmag for now for those in the ground. Most "dirt" contains enough. Only add it if you see your plants needing it.

Looks like a lot of posters are swaying towards herbicide damage. Good luck with nursing it back to health.

Kevin

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 4:03PM
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Slimy_Okra(2b)

Regarding your specific question on suckering, the point of removing suckers on indeterminate tomatoes when you have a lot of tomato plants is to increase productivity per unit area, by forcing plants vertically upward. However, it decreases yields on a per-plant basis even for a healthy plant, not to mention stressed plants. I do not sucker any container-grown tomatoes. More suckers = more tomatoes.

Another reason to sucker is encourage air flow and decrease the risk of fungal infections, but again, this is not necessary when you're dealing with just one plant, or if you don't live in a humid climate.

This post was edited by Slimy_Okra on Mon, Jul 8, 13 at 16:16

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 4:13PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

I do not think that smell of whole garlic ,outside, in the garden , can penetrate into the house through the foundation walls, ... to the point of becoming offensive. People keep garlic in their kitchen(along with onions) all the time. The smell is released when the clove is cut or crushed.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 2:37PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

I agree with florauk. It don't think what you have is the type of garlic you get at the store. Especially because you say it disappeared for a few years then came back. It sounds like an allium that reproduces by seed and those dormant seeds are what sprouted and grew. A picture would certainly help.

Rodney

This post was edited by theforgottenone1013 on Mon, Jul 8, 13 at 16:01

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 3:59PM
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planatus(6)

Right now is perfect for starting fast-maturing broccoli and cabbage in Z 6. I've had excellent results with Alcosa savoy, Pixie, Gonzales and a little pointed cabbage, Caraflex, don't see why Earliana wouldn't be fine. I start collards and kale two weeks after the cabbage and broccoli. Forget about the days to maturity, or add 21 days for starters due to shortening photoperiod, then more for inclement weather.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 1:27PM
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richdelmo

Thanks I will sow this week, I would anticipate that would give me seedlings ready for transplant in late August, right?

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 3:57PM
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jimster(z7a MA)

I would be happy to have some corn smut. It is a fungus which, in Mexican cooking, is a delicacy called huitlacoche.

Yours looks good.

Jim

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 3:01PM
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hnycrk(8a)

I'm going to have a hard time convincing my six year old daughter to eat that!! I have thought about trying it though, but I'd rather have the corn.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 3:06PM
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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

Pnbrown, that's a very nice summary of this discussion. There's a lot more to gardening strategy than a couple of numbers. I would just add that the usefulness of such zones, in the context of this forum, is just to roughly understand who we're talking with, and whether we're using words like "heat" in the same way. So those zone numbers in the profile are less about gardening and more about the person who is posting.

Seysonn, I like your idea about how to code the zone in the forum profile. I've done the same with mine.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 11:22AM
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pnbrown

I agree, the utility of the codes are primarily in seeking advice. They might also be useful if one were seeking another place to grow food.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 3:02PM
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florauk(8/9)

Pictures tell a thousand words. Can you show us the symptoms?

    Bookmark     July 5, 2013 at 4:51PM
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irjowo99

hate to make excuses and back out, but don't have decent camera and don't want to take time to borrow/fiddle with software for this issue.

Thanks, though.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 3:02PM
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katiemar

Oh, okay thank you!

    Bookmark     July 3, 2013 at 3:50PM
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jimster(z7a MA)

Looking at those radishes again, I think there may be a problem, not just normal variation. But I don't know what it could be.

Here is a pic of some that I grew. French Breakfast can be very attractive.

Jim

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 2:55PM
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ericengelmann(7)

My ground hogs scale my deer fence and gobble up tremendous amounts of foliage under 24". They even dig burrows some years. My wife won't let me hurt them, much less eat them, so I trap them (using a Have-a-Heart trap with apple, kohlrabbi, carrot, and zucchinni slices) take them to a park and release them to struggle/starve in an unfamilar place. I end up trapping one or two per year, since they keep moving in from other yards. Just never seem to get around to modifying my fence so they can't climb over.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 1:44PM
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terrene(5b MA)

I don't have a gun or a dog, so for groundhogs I use wire fencing with the 2x4 inch grid. I encircle the plants they like the best - like lettuce and cruciferous vegetables - with the fencing.

Now supposedly woodchucks can climb and they also dig, so I cut the fencing about 2 feet high, and cut it so there are pokey wire ends coming out the bottom and the top. The bottom pokey ends are stuck into the ground and the top stick up like skewers. These wires are sharp as anything - and the woodchuck can't get past them.

I have a small veggie garden and don't have many plants to protect so it works great. I just have to watch out I don't skewer myself! (Probably not the best method to use if you have small children though).

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 2:05PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Agree with fruitnut above. Shift your focus to the individual plant needs not the garden as a whole.

Container plants and in ground plants cannot be treated the same when it comes to feeding just as with all other aspects of the two different types of gardening.

Container plants are fed much more often than in ground plants simply because the nutrients wash out of the containers. How often containers are fed depends on several factors - size of the container, how often watered, age of plant, type of plant, nutrient needs of that type of plant, etc. A very general guideline for feeding containers that is recommended on the Container Gardening forum is weekly with a diluted to 1/2 strength mixture.

Beyond that there is no set schedule for feeding plants, especially in ground plants. There are far too many variables for any set schedule to work and the needs of the various plants are too different. Feeding is as needed for each variety of plant.

Dave

    Bookmark     July 1, 2013 at 1:02PM
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njitgrad

Okay, thanks. That makes life easier.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 2:02PM
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farmerdill

I never pinch anything. The plant is smarter than I am. It seems to know what it is doing. The big type ( Black Beauty) will abort those it cannot support. Asian types like Ichiban will produce many at the same time.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 9:46AM
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chaman(z7MD)

Pick the fruits as they mature at an interval of 6 to 10 days which depends upon the geographical location of the garden. Fruits are picked at the intervals of 4 to 5 days in tropical countries.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 10:22AM
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ltilton

You need to post a photo.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 8:47AM
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elisa_z5

Aha -- so there is something wrong with your soil: it has dogs on it! :)

zucchini is pretty forgiving, so hopefully you'll get a good harvest this year despite the challenges.

    Bookmark     July 7, 2013 at 10:46PM
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Newatthis22

Yeah. Haha. I tried everything last year to keep my dogs out. Rabbit fencing, pepper flakes, ect. Ect.

I felt like this was my only option. And it's nice not having to bend down to look through the garden. Everything is eye level, which I love.

And so far this season, I've eaten a dozen nice sized zucchinis. So I can't complain to much!

I'm excited for next year to get here so I can implement everything I've learned this year.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2013 at 12:37AM
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glorygrown(PA/6)

Those green marble sized seed pods generally just fall off my potatoes, so I don't bother with them. I planted in mid-late March and am starting to harvest blue potatoes. They look good, but it's definitely been their kind of weather so far this summer as long as they have adequate drainage.

    Bookmark     July 7, 2013 at 8:34PM
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edweather(Zone 5a/b Central NY)

This is the first year I removed them. The russets flowered big time and set a bunch of the pods. So I just figured why invest the plants energy in the growing of pods (I've had some up to 1" in diameter)....I'd rather focus the plants energy on the pods growing under the soil :)

    Bookmark     July 7, 2013 at 9:16PM
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moraleagle(6a)

Ok, thanks u guys!

    Bookmark     July 7, 2013 at 2:47PM
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glorygrown(PA/6)

They look like June beetles and are related to Japanese beetles and will eat your foliage.

    Bookmark     July 7, 2013 at 8:36PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Rather than a lack of something (phosphorus) it more often indicates and excess of something - nitrogen. When there is excess N in the soil root crops often produce lovely big bushy healthy green tops - but no roots.

The same is often the case with green beans - legumes don't tolerate high soil levels of N. Lots of bean plant with few beans.

Normally I wouldn't consider 10-10-10 to be high in N unless it was excessively applied. And while humus is nutrient rich it normally isn't high in N either.

Dave

    Bookmark     July 7, 2013 at 6:33PM
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woohooman San Diego CA zone 10a

Agree with Dave... Also, were the chips and grass FULLY composted?

Kevin

    Bookmark     July 7, 2013 at 8:16PM
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