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mdy113

Thanks guys. I guess I will be patient and wait it out and see what happens. It was the what seems to be slow/stop in growth and light/green yellowish turning of the plants that concerned me. I'll basically let the soil dry out well from the rains and then add some more plant food on next watering. Hope nitrogen will bring back some of the color it had. Hopefully the peppers and cucumbers regain some of their color and continue to grow. The grape tomatoes only one who seems to still be growing at great pace.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 9:48AM
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mdy113

Thanks guys. I guess I will be patient and wait it out and see what happens. It was the what seems to be slow/stop in growth and light/green yellowish turning of the plants that concerned me. I'll basically let the soil dry out well from the rains and then add some more plant food on next watering. Hope nitrogen will bring back some of the color it had. Hopefully the peppers and cucumbers regain some of their color and continue to grow. The grape tomatoes only one who seems to still be growing at great pace.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 9:49AM
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SunshineZone7(7)

zeedman....do you blanch the chard and then freeze?

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 8:50PM
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zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin

Yes, I blanch the chard before freezing. I roll up the leaf, and cut it crossways into thin strips (1/2" - 3/4"), then either chop up some of the stem or slice it thinly, and add it to the leaves. The amount of stem to add is up to your taste. Personally, I like the amount of body that the stem adds to the cooked greens... especially if I use the chard in soup.

The best way to freeze chard (or any other vegetable in quantity) is to use a stainless steel kettle with a large strainer basket. It makes quick transfer simpler, and avoids over cooking. If you have two identical kettles (which I highly recommend) one basket can be cooking while the other is cooling. I just use cold running water (into another kettle shorter & wider than the basket) to cool the veggies after blanching, for a period equal to the blanching time. Then pour them out into a strainer, drain, and pack into containers.

I've seen recommendations for blanching greens for only a minute or two, but in my experience, 3 minutes is the minimum. I base this upon a pound of chard at a time... and while this is a fairly large amount of chard, it will shrink down quickly once stirred into the boiling water (though not as much as spinach). After the initial weighing, I use a bowl filled to the same volume for subsequent batches.

If you mix slices of stalk with the leaves, or if the leaves are larger & heavily veined, it may be necessary to use a longer blanching time, perhaps 4-5 minutes.

Blanching is not a precise science, since it varies with the volume of the kettle, the heat setting, altitude, and the weight of the vegetables being blanched. The first time I blanch something, I use the recommendations of the Ball canning book as a starting point, then look for signs & make adjustments. Insufficiently blanched veggies may float after cooling, while fully blanched veggies generally sink. Blanching also causes color change, and if the color change is incomplete, then a longer time may be required.

The best way to freeze chard (or any other green) is to pack the blanched chard tightly into a freezer box, freeze until solid, then vacuum seal the frozen "brick" (this avoids the bad seal you can get from vacuum sealing wet veggies). Protected this way, the chard will not get freezer burn. Alternatively, freeze the chard packed in just enough water to cover it. The ice will give some protection from freezer burn, although not for as long as vacuum sealing.

This post was edited by zeedman on Fri, Jun 14, 13 at 20:53

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 9:39AM
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SVB "season?'Is there a SVB "season" in the northeast, or is the "season" all summer long?
Posted by edweather(Zone 5a/b Central NY) June 13, 2013
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edweather(Zone 5a/b Central NY)

Thanks all. I was considering delaying pumpkins this year in the hopes of missing the borers. Our pumpkins are usually ready way too early anyway. Kinda running out of time.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 8:36PM
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planatus(6)

I use the phenology sign of the wild chicory blooming for the 5-6 week flight time of this moth. You can be more scientific by using growing degree days, according to the University of KY.

"Adult emergence occurs at approximately 1000 degree days (base 50F with a Jan 1 biofix) in the early summer. Use 950 degree days as the time to begin monitoring plants weekly for initial signs of the borer's frass at entrance holes in the stems. This usually corresponds to mid June as the start of the adult flight."

WIKI has a short chart that connects growing degree days with tree and shrub bloom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growing-degree_day). Where I am, I think we are at about 500 growing degree days right now. There are apps for keeping up with GDDs, smart farmers use them all the time.

Here is a link that might be useful: UKY squash pests

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 9:08AM
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planatus(6)

One little thing you could do would be to cover that black side of the planter with white or beige. It will reflect light rather than warmth. The peas will bloom and bear for three weeks or more, and their color right now looks great. Can you get to the back side for harvesting?

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 8:38AM
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ChicagoDeli37

Good idea thanks! Yes I I could to the back side. Not easily but I'm small enough. That cart has wheels wont won't be and me to move it with peas growing into chicken wire

    Bookmark   June 14, 2013 at 8:49AM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Agree. Excess water (rain or hand watering leach out the nutrients ESPECIALLY nitrogen. Nitrogen being water soluble , will go out much faster than K and P. Another factor could be lack of sun, when they do not get enough sun.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 11:56PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

OK, but a little bit fertilizer , probably, is needed.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 11:51PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

You can, they are usually side dressed with some sort of granular fertilizer. Personally I wouldn't use the Tomato Tone on them as it is only 3-4-6 and slow acting. They need more than that. Pick up some 10-10-10 or so to use on them.

Dave

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 8:16PM
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cooperbailey

thanks!

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 10:35PM
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Suebeeee

If you have had a great deal of rain as many of us have had this year, you may be dealing with a fungus. Start by making sure they are drier and as ventalated as possible. Look on the bottom of the leaves to rule out aphids, which are very tiny bugs. If it is aphids, a soap and water cleaning, done regularly should do the trick.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 8:12PM
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parketta30(9)

Thanks so much.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 10:21PM
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kanuk(Zone 5 Qc Canada)

Thanks for your reply. Let's assume that after a few days none recover....
would it be advisable to re-dig & re-sow in the same rows? Is carrot fly maggot infestation caused by the recent crop failure an issue?
I prefer to replant & have full rows of carrots rather than leave one surviving carrot every 10 inches.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 8:04PM
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tomr(Z6 NY)

I'd leave them alone, I'll bet they're fine.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 10:14PM
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popke(10 Seminole, FL)

Thank you Dave. The leaves are kind of sparse right now because of the looper attack so I know we don't have a hidden giant. I guess it may have run its course although its only been producing fruit for about a month. Is that normal?
If we scrap it, when is it a good time to plant another one?
Thank you so much!

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 8:30PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Well without seeing a picture I'm not convinced that what you had was cabbage loopers rather than some of the more common cuke pests. Possible but on cukes that would be very very unusual. Far more common is pickle worms.

But be that as it may, the lack of leaves would explain why the plant has shut down. Not enough leaves for photosynthesis. No photosyn = no energy for production..

As to when to replant in your zone I can't help with that as planting times in your zone would be very different from mine. The zone 9 planting guide I pulled up says end of Feb. to end of April only for planting cukes.

Even in my zone cukes won't survive during the summer heat. Once the air temps reach the 90's the pollen becomes non-viable. They are primarily a spring vegetable.

Dave

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 9:35PM
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insteng

I would not try to move them now. They should be fine as long as you keep them watered well and they have plenty of fertilizer.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 4:32PM
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lyzzie72(8)

Thanks everyone

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 8:58PM
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ltilton

Best not to. Why can't you weed and mulch now, before the ferns grow larger?

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 6:00PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Agree it is a chafer. While they can damage lawns in the grub stage if the infestation is severe they are garden neutrals for the most part. Not something to worry about.

Lots of bugs in a garden and 95% of them are beneficials or neutrals.

Dave

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 12:21PM
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lkzz(7b)

Second Dave's Chafer...some are naughty like the Rose Chafer (yellow scales) but most adults don't feed like the Northern Masked Chafer which would be in Zone 8a or there about...

Isn't it odd that there are creatures that don't feed as adults - assuming their primary purpose is just to procreate.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 5:58PM
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woohooman San Diego CA zone 10a

A bee hanging out on a leaf for a couple hours?? I think jean may have it. If I got nailed with an airless paint sprayer, I'd probably want to take a breather also.

:)

Kevin

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 2:09AM
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lkzz(7b)

A bee covered in pollen...
Hope it doesn't have allergies (ha, ha).

Possibly a Cuckoo Bee

Here is a link that might be useful: Cuckoo bees

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 5:50PM
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julia42(9a)

It looks like the green-stemmed variety of Malabar Spinach to me...

Does that ring a bell?

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 4:34PM
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woohooman San Diego CA zone 10a

Green beans? Leaves "almost" look like something in the nightshade family though.

Kevin

This post was edited by woohooman on Thu, Jun 13, 13 at 17:04

    Bookmark   June 13, 2013 at 5:01PM
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