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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

I had a feeling you were in Australia. :) When you say 25-30 degrees, I assume you mean Celsius, if so then that would be 77-80*F. Those temps are fine to plant watermelons outside. Just as long as the lows don't drop below 10*C. Soil temp also plays a factor but I assume the soil is sufficiently warmed. So plant them outside if you want. Just harden your seedlings off before planting.

As for starting plants inside with lights, the length of time seems okay (keep it consistent!) but the light needs to be directly above the leaves of the plants. As close as possible without burning the leaves. A fan blowing gently on the seedlings also helps to make them stockier and less leggy.

And if I were you, I'd do a search here about using peat pots for starting seeds. In theory they sound like a good idea (you plant the whole pot and don't have to disturb the plants' roots) but in practice they don't seem to be. Lots of people have had problems with them. The main issues are that they dry out too fast when starting seeds. They restrict the plants roots when planted whole in the garden because they don't compost quickly enough. And if the rim of the pots aren't completely buried below ground then the peat wicks away the moisture from the roots and dries them out. So cut or tear away the peat pot before planting.

Rodney

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kimmymolina

Thanks so much for the info Rodney. I have given the seedlings some sun and they are sprouting their first true leaves!

Thanks
Kim

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Maxim1122

Any clues on how to solve those problems?

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Norway_ralph(6)

Re: your powdery mildew, check out the post from earlier this month on powdery mildew on squash. There were many suggestions posted.
Ralph

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nc_crn

Technically, plants do produce cholesterol...but practically, it's a rather insignificant amount when it comes to human consumption and humans can't uptake them efficiently.

Long story short...technically, yes...realistically to human consumption and intake, too insignificant to even count it as a source.

Plant cholesterol is rather ignorable compared to the good they do, especially the role of some other plant compounds in blocking uptake or otherwise helping the body pass other "bad" cholesterol from meat sources. Just a fyi...

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glib(5.5)

Yes, cholesterol from the liver is 90-95% of the total. The rest is from food.

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pennypond USDA 10 Sunset 21 CA

I prefer fall gardening!!!

Two things will make it even better. Here in Los Angeles, it seems that any fall patch will become flea beetle haven and hurt summer eggplants. As I expand fall patch, I'm cutting down on next summer's grow area. That's sad!!! Fall seedling is SLOW to start from seeds, at least for me, so I usually have to buy them. Only if I could overcome ...

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grandad_2003(9A/sunset 28)

Yep. Add me to the list of those who prefer the Fall garden (for all of the above mentioned reasons...)

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2ajsmama

We addressed that too - sounds like drainage trenches/pipe are in order, and raised beds would help. Up to the OP as to what he wants to put in the raised beds, sounds like the soil he is digging out of the trenches won't be good enough, he'll have to add something to it. IMHO, organic matter and maybe some bought topsoil, in yours, sand, but it's his decision. I hope we could help, he's got a lot of decisions to make and a lot of work to do to fix the situation.

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dajsnipe

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, I didn't completely read all the post.

My yard was always wet and there was nowhere to drain it to, new construction all around me has built up their yards running everything to mine. I planted a series of willow trees specifically placed in the lowest areas.
It completely solved the issue. Before I would have standing water for 2-3 weeks after a good rain, and the soil would remain wet for most of the summer. Now it's gone within a day or so.
Not to mention, the weeping willow was growing about 10 to 15 feet per year, and the corkscrew willows that line the south property line now tower over the box elders, so I can finally cut down those overgrown weeds.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

The foot candles charts available are usually found in greenhouse publications since that is where fc measurements are applicable - indoors under artificial/supplemental lighting.

And unfortunately few of them I'm aware of address many vegetables since they aren't a really common GH crop, at least not to the degree of many other plants. Although some of the hydroponics websites and texts may offer more vegetable details.

Keep in mind with outdoor sunlight it isn't just the fc/lumens that is important but the color spectrum of exposure. That is why diffuse or shaded sunlight isn't as effective as its spectrum is quite different.

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Clemson Univ - Indoor Light requirement

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saoodhashim

Thanks you all for your valuable comments.

Dave,
As for my cross posting, frankly I was not aware about cross posting prohibition guidelines. Can you please guide me to the link so that I could read it thoroughly. I tried finding the link by myself but couldn't happen to locate it.

Just one question, if a problem/question, like this current thread under discussion, is actually related to multiple forums, is it still not allowed to post it?

Thanks

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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Below is a link showing how to build your own EarthTrainer. It's a self-watering container made from plastic storage totes.

And here is the link to the main page: TomatoFest EarthTrainer

Edit: I should mention that I haven't built one of these nor have I grown in them so I'm not sure how well they work.

Rodney

Here is a link that might be useful: EarthTrainer Construction Guide

This post was edited by theforgottenone1013 on Thu, Oct 24, 13 at 15:41

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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

OK. The only way to deal with this problem is to eradicate the rats.
@ OP: If you are against using bait/poison, How about a LIVE rat trap (aka have a heart). Like the one shown in the picture below. Years ago I got the instruction from internet and make one myself. But if money is not the object you can buy them at the nurseries.

RAT MOTEL; THEY CAN CHECK IN BUT CANNOT CHECK OUT.loll

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ZaraMorant

I've been seeking to get some poultry, but have hesitated cause the mice are attracted to the seeds they can be dealt with it.

TermiteRescue

This post was edited by ZaraMorant on Wed, Oct 30, 13 at 9:20

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newbieveggiepatch

Thank you all very much for your help. I really appreciate it! :)

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pnbrown

Yes, it's the mulch.

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mckenziek(9CA)

I realize this thread is old now. But for the benefit of those who may find it later by searching, sudden severe wilt can also be caused by gophers. If it is a gopher eats all or most of the roots, the plant will wilt and die. If you pull gently on the plant, and it comes out of the ground with no roots, then it was probably a gopher. If you dig a hole where the plant used to be, you may be able to find the access tunnel the gopher was using and set a trap in it. If you act fast, there is a good chance of catching the gopher this way.

--McKenzie

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sunnyinsandiego(USDA 9/Sunset 20)

mckenziek, I had this happen to an eggplant in my vegetable garden. There were 6-7 plants but overnight, one just wilted into the most pathetic thing you've ever seen. Sure enough, gopher. Husband set a trap and caught it 2 days later. Turns out we have quite an issue with them in our area, so all our fruit trees have been planted into gopher baskets. They're not 100% -- somehow they still got my Dorsett Golden apple tree -- but the most effective control there is, as far as I know.

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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Flora ... They said that parsley "CAN withstand HARD FROST", meaning that the very first frost is not going to kill it. I have seen my existing parsley survive hard freeze. In other words they were not killed. But if you harvest them, you are going to see any new growth. The same goes for peas in the spring. They will survive. I don't think parsley goes dormant but It stays live.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

When I say it goes dormant that doesn't preclude it's being alive. My parsley, if not protected, reduces down to a few tiny unusable stems close to the ground. Our climate is very wet in winter and sometimes it just rots right out. It doesn't survive in good condition the way the brassicas do. We can harvest those in mid winter whereas the parsley has all but disappeared.

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mata

I have been using kaolin clay (brand name Surround WP)
for several years. It is nontoxic clay particles that you mix with water and spray on the plants. The water evaporates leaving a mechanical clay layer that irritates the beetles. Its not 100% effective, but it has saved my fruit trees. There is a Penn state study regarding its effectiveness on the web.

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ZaraMorant

The best way to get rid of these Japanese beetles is to use any chemically remove grubs by applying insecticides, or you can remove manually from your plants and kill them.

TermiteRescue

This post was edited by ZaraMorant on Wed, Oct 30, 13 at 9:13

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ceth_k(11)

The kelp will be a problem only if they were fresh and were not thoroughly washed. I heard fresh kelp is very salty and the sodium is bad for the plant.

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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Only high dose of nitrogen can burn the plant, IMO>
What is the composition and how much you applied ?

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Have you checked out all the information about this and your other questions posted over on the Growing from Seed forum here?

That is the forum that was specifically created for the discussion of all growing from seed issues so that the gardening forums weren't inundated with seedling issues. And there is a good FAQ there all about the lights recommended to use and how to use them.

Plus GW has a Growing Under Lights forum too that discusses in great detail all the differences in the various types of lights available

Now I was thinking if I should maintain this distance or increase it so that the foot-candles reading is more closer to 750 fc? Is the 3000 fc reading too intense for the seedlings?

The 750 fc recommendation is a minimum. More is better. When "more" becomes "too much" all depends on the age/size of the seedling. Young just emerged seedlings can get burned but seedlings with true leaves thrive in more. So there is no "one for all" setting. It has to be adjusted frequently.

The ambient temps created by the lights also must be considered. Excess heat generates leggy seedlings too so it is a balancing act between enough light and too much heat.

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Growing from Seed forum

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Gurnoegardens

That photo doesn't look like normal nitrogen deficiency to me. I think it may be a potassium or micro-nutrient deficiency. I'm just guessing without knowing more about what they're growing in.

The beans sound to me like aphids and spider mites. check the underside of the spotted leaves for small red arachnids. My bitter melons took a long time to do much of anything but the weather warmed up for the past couple of months and I have fruit bursting all over now.

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annew21(7b NC)

You might want to direct your question to the container garden forum.

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