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lucyfretwell(ireland)

Yes I like those small bulbs -not for cooking obviously but to throw them in the salad.

Also if you let the main bulbs stay in the ground a little too long then you will get lots of these in amongst the main body (the same as in lettuces except that then it is an indication that the lettuce is starting to become bitter also any slugs have also have had longer to do their damage)

This post was edited by lucyfretwell on Mon, Sep 30, 13 at 14:51

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Deeby

It grows wild here. I love the licorice scent. To me it's a very welcome "weed".
I wonder if the wild type is edible and if it bulbs?

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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

You grow it just like regular kale except you can plant it closer since it's harvested while young.

Rodney

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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

You should be able to sow kale seeds all winter in your location. Sow heavily and harvest frequently. Expect the usual cabbage family pests all winter!

Yes....I grow lots of kale to harvest as babies.

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nc_crn

There is no way to delete it unless a moderator removes it.

Here's a bump to remove it from the top (posts stay up top until a reply happens).

It will soon disappear into the abyss.

It happens, no worries.

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albert_135(Sunset 2 or 3)

A few years ago harry vetch was all the rage. I don't recall reading about it recently.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Ralph I can't say if it is too late in your part of zone 6 or not but it isn't here in my part. We just planted a mix of turnips and radish in several beds middle of the past week. Normally they will do well into mid to late January and we till them in then weather permitting.

Two of the other garden beds get planted with various deer fodder crops - winter peas, clover, chicory.etc. and all work well for green manures.

Dave

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Slimy_Okra(2b)

Yes, chilling injury. They will not ripen properly.

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Campanula UK Z8

looks like they might even have blight

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Tool_Geek(6)

1/ that's right. 2 seeds in 2" pots. Then gently tease them apart and pot them up.
2/ they do get very big. And like a lot of water. Here it gets into the 100's and is quite dry mid season. I did use a peat based compost, and would water when I stuck my finger in the soil 1" and it was dry. And would water until it was draining from the bottom.
3/ transplant shock can be as little as the plant just seems to slow down growth to wilting disastrously. Don't worry about it too much, just keep them watered and wait, almost always they will pull through. And the younger the plant the better it will transplant.

I'm not trying to discourage on growing cukes in containers. I did get fruit, just not nearly as much as in ground cukes. And it was more effort. If I were to try it again I would try to keep the pot cooler by keeping it shaded, and maybe adding some mulch. Straw or leaf mold.

Good luck!

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veggiecanner(Id 5/6)

The olnly time I get a cucumber crop I straight seed them. Starting them in pots I am lucky if I get 1 fruit per plant.

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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Never had any tomatillo problem. Actually all my tomatoes got zapped by LB but the tomatillo is there.

I can think of some ROOT problem. Now that the season over, just clean up around the root and check for any irregularity.
Do you have things like gophers around ?

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AiliDeSpain(6a - Utah)

Here's a picture of the stalk.

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farmerdill

Top photo Bonanza- bottom photo Bay Meadows.

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woohooman San Diego CA zone 10a

Thanks Rhizo. I know I can leave it to you to better educate me(and the rest of us).

I'm getting better, though. No?

;)

Kevin

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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Seysonn: BT for slugs???

I think not. BT controls CATERPILLARS only.

Kevin
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Kevin .... As I said, I have not used it my self. I might have heard it wrong.

But I have my own mixture:

-- used coffee ground
-- pavers sand
-- saw dust ,
-- paRtially ground egg shell

  • some broken slugo type bait.
    You can sprinkle some sand first then the mixture. This way it will stay dryer better. With this mixture I can be generous. Since it is not costly.
    AND IT WORKS JUST AS GOOD AS PLAIN SLUGO... THEY RUN BLEEDING TO DEATH.
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gmom2-6boys

usc just give them time. Garlic grows faster in cooler temperatures. I'm in Mi. in the 40's & 50's and mine are sprouting.
gmom

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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Garlics , just like most bulbs, love cool soil and air. That is why they will overwinter with no problem.

Here is a picture of my garlic patch about mid Feb, few years ago.

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aptz

Thanks to all for your great advice. At the garden site there's a very wide assortment of ideas being tried. Some don't have any fencing (although there's not too many of those), some use non-fencing (I've seen some with tin plates, some use natural fragrances, others use scarecrows, and still others use fishing line, oh and I even saw one fence made out of playing cards), most do have fencing from wooden to metal to rope with electrical also included. And that's just what comes to my immediate recollection. The site's management says fencing is highly recommened, but not required. The general word seems to be to get around the pests - plant more than you need and be ready to share.

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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Wolverine summed it up pretty good, I think.

Then, it depend how your plot is situated in the community. If it is somewhere in the middle, you are partly shielded. But if it is on the edge then you have to take rabbits seriously. For deers the bells and vessels, old CDs, etc might work but not for Mr. Vabbit...haha

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gallery725

Nancy- yes it is actually a fountain, it does not spray water but rather works like a see saw and when one side fills up with water it drops down and hits the bamboo under making a somewhat loud thump (depending on the size of course) it scares deer and most likely turkeys with sounds they are not used to hearing in your garden.

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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Donna! LOL! A bit of a shower til you learned about the turn off button, huh? Heck It'll keep the cats out also! Nancy

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zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin

Frost finally coming tonight, so those gardening in points East probably don't have long to wait either. No complaints, it's been unseasonably (and pleasantly) warm, a 1-year-in-10 October.

If the killing frost comes when a pepper is just beginning to ripen, I pull the entire plant by the roots & hang it in the garage. The plant responds by pulling moisture from the smallest immature fruits, and attempting to ripen the largest. This is highly effective with hot peppers intended for drying, but also works moderately well with larger sweet peppers. Peppers ripened this way are not as sweet as those ripened naturally, but still better than green... and it beats losing them to the frost.

Curious that you mention serranos. I have an heirloom serrano-type ("Red Chile") that I pulled out today. It has ripened only enough pods for me to save seed, probably due to the partial shade it had received from adjacent pole beans. The ripe peppers, when dehydrated, make a great pepper powder, and there are enough peppers close to maturity that they should turn color quickly now that the plants have been hung.

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donnabaskets(Zone 8a, Central MS)

This is a fascinating thread and I learned a lot. Thank you to all of you for your input. I hopefully have another two or three weeks till first frost, but our temperatures have turned unseasonably cool here for October. Many of my peppers are rotting on the vine before they fully ripen. I will put some Agribon around the plants tomorrow. The plants are still loaded and I was hoping to get one more picking before calling it quits.

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Norway_ralph(6)

In my experience the key is knowing if the butternut had finished growing. Once they are full size and the skin is still green but hardening then they will keep ripening to some degree once picked and even chnage colour, however if the skin was green but still soft as the butternut was still growing it will not continue to ripen and should be eaten quickly as they will dry out. They are still delicious young too! And i often cut them thinly into stir fries at that stage.
Also for storage green picked butternut won't store as long as those that have fully ripened on the vine.
Ralph

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gallery725

Seysonn, your tomatillos look much happier than ours!! Of course it's been raining for days so I haven't had a chance to repot mine... Are yours in the ground? Anyone having luck in containers?

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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

MidnightG .... yes mine is in the ground . It is huge. Too bad, it started too late. . BUT i will let'm live till frost.

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