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From what I've read, Bermuda grass is the worst. Where I live it isn't usualy too bad, because it tends to die in the summer unless it is irrigated. I wouldn't till it. It sounds like anything you do to push it deeper just makes it harder to get rid of. Since it is only one bed, maybe you should just pull out all the rhizomes by hand or with the aid of a small shovel or spade. You want to clean an area larger than the box so you have a buffer zone.
Here is another idea, but it is probably too late. Consider building your box with a solid bottom of plywood. That will hopefully stop grass for many years. Just set the box right on top of the grass. Put drain holes in the side of the box near the bottom, and check them for rhizomes daily. I'm sure rhizomes will eventually creep in to the box and take root.
If you are willing to wait until next year, you can solarize a generous patch (larger than the veggie box) this year and do the box next year. The grass will still recover, of course, but it will take a while, and you can defend the dead zone between the box and the edge of the lawn.
Just my 2 cents.
--McKenzie

Agree with Buford. Bermuda and zoysia grass are similar to mints that have runner roots that spread. That is why it is hard to get rid of and contain it. But as BUFORD said, it is easy to pull them up. I would recommend to get rid of the top layer with roots AND then till or turn it over THEN carefully and patiently remove any remaining roots, as much as possible.
I am against CARDBOARD SHEETING. Though it might but block the grass from spreadin and coming up , it will also block the plants roots and drainage.

There are baby grasshoppers all over my yard and garden. They seem to especially enjoy the eggplant leaves, which are now full of holes and raggedy. They've also been devouring petunia blooms. The little critters are fast and hard to squish, and when they are on the thorny eggplants -- ouch! The grownups prefer to munch on the citrus tree leaves. I've never seen so many before. I will look into that Nolo bait, may be worth it for me this year.

What slimy_okra said except let me add to it. Water or soap or neem oil will take care of them but you have to be diligent. Spray them off with a water nozzle a couple times a day about 3 days apart for a week or 2. Then, soap the next week about 3 days apart for one week and once every 2 weeks thereafter if the water didn't reduce the populations sufficiently.
Funny slimy mentioned cabbage worms -- I don't see any indication either. In fact, I've noticed through the years that(compared to other brassicas) the caterpillars don't attack KALE as much.
And Yes... BT for all my Moth(caterpillar) needs. Good stuff.
Kevin

I'm in your zone - it's difficult to get lettuce to grow here during the summer. High temps cause lettuce to get bitter. I'm trying it under my tomatoes to see if some shade will help.
Last fall I planted mesclun mix and Swiss chard in September. We ate salad from the end of October through May! Best $2.00 investment I've ever made! Lol. I planted them across my 3 foot wide bed in 2 rows. Basically just 1/4 inch apart. Then I thinned them to every other plant or so. I wasn't too particular about it, just 1/2 to 1 inch. We picked them young, so they didn't need a ton of room. Pick them from the outside and they will keep producing for you.
The plant in your picture looks like Swiss chard. Mine bolted too once the weather got hot, along with the mesclun lettuces. Chard needs to be planted further apart - 4-6 inches is what I did. We cut those young and ate them in salad. If you let them get bigger you can cook them like collards. Very good!
Here is a picture at the end of the season. I pulled most of what was in this bed by the time this was taken. There was more chard and spinach in the middle. I'll be adding lots more mesclun this time around. That's it in the back.

This post was edited by lm13 on Sun, Jun 23, 13 at 17:26

I'm such a newbie at this, I even got my zone wrong. lol... I knew it was 8 (using a scale without a and b)... However, i thought it went to 7b... Nope, still 8, but 8b...
at any rate,, i do understand the difficulty in giving all permutations on one seed packet. However, getting past that, the in-row spacing seems to be too large as well... I used the 6 inches suggested, and I have a ton of space between my plants.. My next planting, I'm going for the very tight 1/2 - 1 inch and see how that works...
Of course, if i had any idea of what the mature version of what i am growing looked like then it would be a lot easier!! :-)
thanks for the replies

Thanks sunni! yep, def. Asiatic Garden Beetle,but also found 2 huge balls of Japanese beetles,like 4-6 stuck together doing whatever...around 11:00 pm on my eggplants ew, I was pretty sure I read somewhere that they come out at the sunniest time of the day...it was a surprise.

Thanks everyone for your input.
Earwigs are a problem here every year. I don't know why they are so prolific...but every year at this time there is a population explosion, then about a month later their numbers decrease.
I have decided to just deal with it, all my plants are past seedling stage so they are able to withstand some damage.


Yep. PM. As Seysonn mentioned, a milk solution or neem can help control it. There's also a baking soda solution -- google it.
In any case, you want to spray off(with a water hose/nozzle) as many of the spores as possible before applying the solution.
Also, try to keep from touching other plants AFTER you've touched affected plants to prevent the spread of spores.
Kevin


Now that's impressive -- guitar or reading. You've reminded me that when a kid has resources within themselves, even isolation in the country doesn't need to send them always to video games and TV for entertainment. (I'm a suburban person moved to the country, so the isolation is new to me.)
And actually, I think it was the new electric tiller that made working in my garden so attractive to these boys.
Boys + power tools = good times :)
Enough strawberries for jam? Yum!

Oh, I've been making jam (only 5 jars per batch, I don't use pectin so 1/2 lb of berries per jar) every other day. Winding down now - I just came in from picking (didn't pick yesterday) and haven't weighed them but probably less than a lb. Finished making that batch started yesterday (it needs to sit a while both before and after cooking). Made 3 batches this week so 15 jars, sold 2 at market Wednesday and hope to sell a lot more next week.
I don't think DS watches TV at all - unless it's a rare time when I'm not watching The Voice so he may join DH for Antiques Roadshow. And my parents have satellite, will record nature shows, country music awards shows for the kids to watch when they visit but DS is too busy to visit them often.
I watch The Voice and Revolution when they're not reruns, but our antenna broke about 2 weeks ago so I had to catch the season finales online. Wouldn't you know it was just that one channel affected (though we never were able to pick up ABC so now we're down to CBS, PBS, FOX and some Spanish channels).
We went to my cousin's kids' birthday party (they live next door 1 mile down the road) yesterday, he was really bored the whole 4 hours (didn't take a book) since he and DD were the oldest ones there (she's 9, he's 14). He just went for the food. He didn't ask to go home though.

Does more frequent watering help? I like the book Square Foot Gardening that encourages people to plant a little more densely than the package does. Two rows of bush beans can be 6" apart. You can still easily harvest the plants. Three rows means the middle row is harder to reach. In a small patch, you could plant every seed 3-4" apart. One year I had a wonderful harvest from a 3x3' square bed.
One of the problems with weeds is that mother nature doesn't like bare soil. I've done things like plant cucumbers around young blueberrie bushes. I don't usually mulch but that might help. I think when you leave so much ground bare, you are just inviting weeds and wasting good growing space. The other thing is that I rarely see a decent hand weeder for sale in regular garden centers, only the more upscale ones. I have what was originally called a Cape Cod weeder. Only thing similar I have seen advertised is a Cobra head weeder. Mine is an "L" shaped blade I can scrape thru the top 1/2 inch or so of soil. This gets a lot of the little roots just pulling doesn't get. I also wear the rubber coated cheap gloves from the farm and feed store that gives me a better grip. I cover walkways with layers of newspaper covered with grass clippings. Sometimes I edge the beds this way too. With a larger, more open space between rows that you have, you might try a scuffle hoe. Good luck!

Just an update - I was going to throw out the top of the pepper seedling I was trying to root in water, but it has 2 tiny roots now (weeks later!). So may be too late to plant in garden for you if you do this (maybe you've already composted the tops of your plants), but it does work, though they're much slower at it than tomatoes. I plan on putting this one in a pot and trying to keep it til next year.

Very sorry to hear about your hail storm. Last year we had one, nothing like yours, but big for here, and it severed the growth points of some of my tomatoes and watermelons. They all made it, but it took a little while for them to recover. Your tomatoes should come back strong.


squirrelwhispererpup,
I also suggest burying your vines, or mulching your plants heavily so that the main vines are covered up with dirt. That protects the main vine from SVB eggs, and also helps the plant send down more roots. That way you have less vine you have to inspect and inject.
This post was edited by ccabal on Thu, Jun 20, 13 at 12:04



I think a garden only attracts more mosquitoes if there is more standing water in it. Moist soil doesn't do it for them. Well, actually, floodwater mosquitoes do lay eggs in moist soil, which can dry out, but the dried eggs won't hatch unless the soil is later covered in water. Those eggs can wait a year or more for that flood and then be viable. Actually, I could imagine ponds happening in lawns that would never happen in well mulched, friable garden soil. I *never* get puddles in my garden, even after heavy rains. But I do get water collecting in the various pails and receptacles I leave around my garden.
Standing , stagnant water is the place for mosquitoes to breed. Otherwise they are not attracted to your garden like bees, etc.
Another issue is: how big is your property, how is the properties in the surrounding ? Mosquitoes have wings and can fly over the fence from your neighbor's backyard too.
The bottom line not to have any standing water. Although, in the shade where it is moist can be a place for mosquitoes to breed and live.