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NilaJones(7b)

I put them in deep shade (under a table on my porch, on a cloudy day) for the first day or two, then lighter full shade, then one hour direct light (on a cloudy day), and so on. Takes more than a week to get them to the full sun stage.

Small seedlings are sometimes more adaptable than larger starts, and can take only a week.

    Bookmark   April 12, 2013 at 12:35AM
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tdscpa(z5 NWKS)

I have a greenhouse. When I move my plants from indoors to the greenhouse, I cover each tray of seedlings with a laundry basket that allows 33-50% of light to pass through. (The greenhouse itself reduces the sunlight by about 25%.)

After about three days, I remove the baskets. Then when the weather forecast predicts temps warm enough, I move them to a screened enclosure outside where they get outside temperatures, breezes, hail protection, and full sun exposure. Works great!.

Before I had the greenhouse, I would put my seedlings outside in full shade for several hours. The next day, several hours in full shade plus 1 hour in late day sun. Then I would increase the sun exposure by an hour a day for 4-5 days. Then I just left them in full exposure until I planted them.

This post was edited by tdscpa on Fri, Apr 12, 13 at 3:16

    Bookmark   April 12, 2013 at 3:05AM
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VGarden23

I wonder if even fruit trees are okay? I have a peach tree & a mulberry tree next to my wooden fence. Does anyone know? Also, would it be okay to plant cucumbers, squash, etc a couple of feet away and train them to grow up the fence?

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 3:47PM
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NilaJones(7b)

I did some reading on this recently. In a quick cruise of my bookmarks I don't see the links (I can look again when less tired), but basically what I found was that studies show tree fruits do not put much of the copper and arsenic from treated wood into their fruits, although it shows up in other parts of the tree. The fruit is pretty safe.

(The study was on particular varieties of apricots and apples, and the guess is that this is true for other fruits as well.)

Vegetables that you eat the roots and leaves of, OTOH, are more problematic. Especially roots.

Near houses and roads, lead is an issue. It is not recommended that you plant leafy vegetables there -- or, if you do, wash them very thoroughly. A lot of the lead is in surface dust on plant leaves, and on the dirt on root vegies, rather than in the tissues of the plants, so you can wash it off.

You might consider raised beds... if you know the history of the dirt you would be importing.

    Bookmark   April 12, 2013 at 12:33AM
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ltilton

Pine needles best mulch for blueberries.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 9:24PM
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sidhartha0209(KY_6a)

I feed the birds through the winter, LOTS of them of ALL kinds, Starlings rarely feed here and English Sparrows never (we're out in the country), and they return a lot of the seeds & suet in digested form and deposit it on our parked automobiles, but they also reward us by hanging around and nesting in the Spring and eating LOTS of bugs too.

Birds eat bugs.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 10:35PM
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NilaJones(7b)

Thanks for the link, Serenity! I've no idea if it's what the OP was talking about, but I am happy to know of this plant's existence :)

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 1:47PM
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noki

Thanks! I believe that the 'Viroflay' is the right plant. In fact the description copied the blurb on the heirloom seed website above... tasty leaves 24" wide by 10" high.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 9:47PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

It would be of great help to know your location, or at least your garden zone. Note how the rest of us include that info. Especially so since it is quite unusual to have all those crops growing at the same time, much less doing it right now.

Each crop has different nutrient needs and different feeding schedules. As already mentioned, usually fertilizers are worked into the soil prior to planting and then each crop fed its supplemental needs on the schedule for that crop.

For ex:

Tomatoes at first fruit set and then approx. every 6 weeks. Corn side dressed when 12-18" tall. Cukes every 2 weeks. Peppers low N every 6 weeks. etc.

Never heard of Medina so had to look it up. It is listed as a lawn fertilizer and thatch remover when lawn clippings are not picked up. It also includes a pre-emergent for weed control. It is listed as safe for vegetable gardens but that is not its primary purpose, especially with the weed killer in it. It is rated at 4-2-3. Personally I would return it to the store.

Manure tea is to be used only when extremely well-diluted and only as a root drench, not on the leaves, and never around low-growing crops where it can contaminate the edible parts. Bone meal takes from 6 months to 1 year to have any effect.

I recommend some extensive reading over on the Organic Gardening forum here about safe and proper use of organic gardening supplements..

Dave

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 6:46PM
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greenwater87

I live in south coastal texas. I know I'm a bit early for okra but am basing the rest of what I plant on the other community gardeners in my town. I don't really think its that unusual to have these crops growing in the south at this time especially since most everything I have is doing well. I will do some extra reading and get other opinions. Thank you for your insight.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 9:42PM
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Raw_Nature(5 OH)

As others mentioned, I wouldn't be to concerned, that is if, mulch bags were the only products you found. Just pull up as much of it as you can... I frequently get compost from the city, and there is tons of plastic in that, I'm sure other pollutants as well.. But aye, my plants love it... Besides you are doing so much good, to worry about such a trivial amount of pollutants, if there are any to begin with ..

I just moved in a house a couple years ago, the former owners loved their weed fabric! They put half a foot of topsoil on top of it, with long stakes securing it down... Let me tell you, it was a pain in the a**! but it's worth it.. You're only doing it once..

Good luck,
Joe

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 10:51AM
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kaanne

What a great forum! Thank you everyone. I feel much better. I will pull up as much plastic as I can find and mix in lots of compost and start planting! Thanks again.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 9:32PM
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stuffradio

I watered about 2-3 times when I had a stretch of weather in the 70's to 80's for the last week of March. I haven't watered since then, or any other time this year.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 2:00PM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

All of the above is good stuff!
I try to group plants with similar needs together. The tomatoes are all in one bed cause they like the same watering pattern. I let them dry out a bit rather than sprinkle a bit each day.
I actually have a set up for each of 4 large beds. I bought a hose splitter that has 4 different spigots, each controlled by it's own control.Each connected to a soaker hose.
The tomatoes get about 1/2 hour once a week, the asparagus, 2x per week etc etc.
This way I only have to dedicate about an hour a day (or less) to watering.
I also make sure to hand water about once a week in order to inspect all of my plants and look for critters etc!
Garden ON! Nancy

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 9:13PM
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woohooman San Diego CA zone 10a

Joe listed a lot of good ones. Others you may want to consider are cottonseed and alfalfa meal(N), bone meal(P), kelp meal(K). Fish and seaweed emulsions and extracts. Bat guano, manures, and worm castings.

Everything but the guano(including the supplemental city-produced compost and mulch) I buy in bulk to keep costs down.

Kevin

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 6:48PM
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Raw_Nature(5 OH)

Max,

Also get some good books,or research online.. Look up Composting,cover crops/green manures, sustainable Permaculture, organic gardening... There is much more to gardening than fertilizers.. Watch the back to Eden film it will give you some ideas(backtoedenfilm.com)..

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 8:09PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

Parsnips are a cool climate crop. Not only are very cold temperatures required to develop flavor, but the roots themselves won't grow worth a darn.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 6:14PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

Edited to remove double post

This post was edited by rhizo_1 on Thu, Apr 11, 13 at 18:17

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 6:15PM
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dolivo

well, the cuke seeds were purchased recently. I think they are Burpee brand, I will try some bottom heat to see if that helps.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 5:17PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

You might want to do some reading about these set-ups over on the Greenhouse forum here for more opinions.

Dave

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 5:39PM
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fusion_power

Tomatoes should be kept above 50 degrees, but there is a trick that can help if they get colder. Say your tomatoes go down to 35 degrees overnight and sit at that temp for 6 hours. The next day, put them in a greenhouse and let them get up above 90 degrees for 6 hours. Each hour above 90 degrees counters an hour spent below 50 degrees.

Why is this so?

When a tomato gets cold, Rubisco - a chemical vital to plant growth - is deactivated. Letting the plant get above 90 degrees the next day reverses the effect. I use this trick to very good effect in my greenhouse. It allows me to deliberately cold stress my tomato plants and then reverse the effects the next day.

So you don't have a greenhouse? Well, you can make do with a plastic tent or even a partially covered aquarium. Don't EVER put seedlings in a fully closed aquarium, the temperature can easily get above 200 degrees in full sun. A gap an inch wide at one end is usually enough to bring the temp down below 120 degrees which is safe for tomatoes. Be sure to water them well, seedlings will consume incredible amounts of water when in direct sun.

DarJones

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 1:01AM
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jonfrum(6)

Can you give us a citation for the deactivation of Rubisco at low temps? I just did a quick search, and the literature I found only talks about the inactivation of Rubisco at HIGH temperatures.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 11:05AM
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gjcore(zone 5 Aurora Co)

Soil temperature is more important than air temperature which probably is 55-75. If you don't have a soil thermometer you can use a meat cooking thermometer to test soil temperature.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2013 at 4:39PM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

I think any brassicas will be fine, since they seem to spring up on their own in late July too. Not as sure about the others, but I will be putting out some turnips and chard today in hope the seed will get watered by rain tomorrow. Cheers!

    Bookmark   April 11, 2013 at 10:03AM
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bruce2288

I would check out rust diseases in small grains

    Bookmark   April 10, 2013 at 9:12PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Local sources will definitely save you money, the shipping if nothing else, and both HD and Lowe's carry the basic supplies.

Online there are any number of suppliers for both kits and the individual components. dripworks.com, dripdepot.com, growersupply.com, just to name a few.

I'd encourage you to look into using drip tape instead however as it is less prone to problems - clogging, spacing issues, GPH emitter sizes for different plants, etc. Plus it generally tends to be cheaper. There have been recent discussions here about such systems the search will pull up for you.

I have about 150 - 200 feet of row

That is going to be your primary problem. No system will maintain pressure over that long a run without inline pressure boost pumps. You'll have to divide it into separate zones.

Dave

    Bookmark   April 10, 2013 at 8:32PM
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melikeeatplants

My understanding is 1/2" line at 25-30 psi can do 200 ft, and that is the recommend maximum.

Never run more than 30' of 1/4" from the 1/2"

Never run 1/4" porous tubing more than 15'

    Bookmark   April 10, 2013 at 8:43PM
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tn_gardening

Cool.
The 10 day weather forecast looks nice enough for me to get some more of my summer veggies planted, too.

Now comes the hard part...deciding on which ones to go with and which ones to try n find a new home for.

    Bookmark   April 10, 2013 at 4:57PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Take care tn - was 78 here today but headed for 33 here tonight and for the next 3 nights. And it is headed your way.

Dave

    Bookmark   April 10, 2013 at 5:09PM
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