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chickenfreak(7)

Early May is, IMO, enough time for a summer garden, if you're willing to buy some seedlings. In fact, I think that's when I got my first community garden plot, and I remember it as a pretty good year.

May is early enough to plant purchased seedlings of tomato, pepper, eggplant, and other hot-weather fruiting plants. And to plant bean seeds, and I think onion sets for scallions. (I suspect that you'd need to buy the sets now and put them in the fridge.) And basil from seed or seedling. And corn seeds, if your garden is that kind of big.

You can put in perennial herbs almost any time that the ground isn't frozen. Bare-root bramble berries may be gone from the stores by May, but you could get a few now and put them into one-gallon pots now, and plant them later.

I think that you could sow leek seedlings now in a pot, or buy some (it is a little late to sow) and grow them on until you have your garden. It's too late to plant garlic for bulbs, but you could grow it for garlic greens, rather like scallions from sets.

You could probably start lettuce now in tiny pots, get it in the ground in May, and juuust get some to eat before it's hot enough for it to be likely to bolt.

Plenty to do. And of course, once the summer garden is in you can start thinking about the fall and winter garden.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 2:03AM
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foolishpleasure

Did you say your last frost is in April? I am in zone 7 and last frost in zone 7 is MAY 5. In zone 6 the last frost should be late May. You have plenty of time to have summer garden. Remember when you plant vegetable and the soil temp is below 50 they don't grow and it makes no difference if you plant it in April or May. The root system works only if it senses the temp is ideal. I have all my vegetable in Jiffy pots inside the house and I will take it out in May . Honestly taking care of 60 plants inside is a pain in the A.
Abe

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 4:32AM
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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

That product is designed to be used as a dust -- that is, dry.

Consider recycling the stuff in an appropriate hazardous waste collection, then purchasing a kind that's meant to be applied as a liquid.

In the meantime, start looking for green caterpillars. Look on both the top & lower surfaces of leaves. When one is found, flick into soapy water. Repeat daily!

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 1:24AM
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ltilton

I grow Allstar, it's a Junebearer.

Tribute and Tristar are good day neutral berries for your purpose.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 3:56PM
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l_james(mo5)

There is a new everbearer from France called Marra Du Bois. Its fruit taste sorta like Starburst candy. Millers and Jungs carry. I recomend it.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 1:12AM
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ChicagoDeli37

This might help. Here's how I built my enclosure
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/grtlks/msg0622590923398.html?1

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 5:11PM
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mudgod

@ChicagoDeli37: None of the pictures in your post are showing up. I'm seeing the message Images have been moved or Deleted

@gardenlen: Regarding Aspect,please take a look at

@ltilton This is what I had read about, the shed itself is offwhite so shouldn't be too bad but I thought reflecting more light would help. If it's going to cause damage and/or not be significantly better then def not worth it, especially since it'll look pretty weird :D

Also the layout itself looks ok? Basically I will only be able to walk in between the beds on one side due to the shed and face, would that be a big concern?

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 8:39PM
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Ohiofem(6a Ohio)

Sorry. Duplicate post.

This post was edited by Ohiofem on Sat, Mar 30, 13 at 18:35

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 6:33PM
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Ohiofem(6a Ohio)

TomatoForester: Your grow lighting system is very impressive, and your instructions are excellent. And to the OP: Do everything you can to get as much light to your plants as you can.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 6:34PM
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defrost49

If you are growing hard neck garlic, it will send up a blossom head called a garlic scape. The scape can be snapped off before in makes a second loop. It will still be tender and can be minced up to cook as garlic. Last year here in NH I made a wonderful garlic scape hummus for our 4th of July party. I would not wait until the leaves turned brown because I think by then, the cloves get too big and are splitting. I read an article last year that said with a garlic scape points straight up again, it's time to dig. I dig mine when the leaves are starting to turn brown.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 1:32PM
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Avocado101(9A Southern California)

I pulled or broken off all my garlic scapes after it makes a turn. According Wikipedia, "Garlic scapes are removed to focus all the garlic's energy into bulb growth. The scapes can be eaten raw or cooked" Some websites state that some types of garlics are not affected by this practice. But to my experience, garlics grew bigger when scapes are removed. I have dug up a few to compare. And scapes are a delicious treat. A very hard find at any market.
If you harvest the scapes too late, they turn tough and woody.

Back to the OP's question. The time to pick garlic is July, but you can check by digging one out near the middle of the Summer. It is too early now, for the outer paper-like covering of garlic cloves are not yet fully transformed.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 6:34PM
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naturegirl_2007 5B SW Michigan(5B SW Michigan)

Hmmm....I think I'll go plant my Easter Egg Radishes.

You have me laughing and thinking of Easter and Egg related plants. The radishes might actually be reasonable to plant now with a bit of protection. Maybe start some White Egg Eggplants inside if I can find the seeds. LOL

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 1:46PM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

I knew there was something called Easter Egg! (Sure I did). :)

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 2:16PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

They most likely won't set fruit anyway but will just die and fall off. You can let them go or pinch them off - makes little difference. Personally I'd remove them.

Dave

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 11:25AM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

I'm also thinking it is likely just a male flower, so no worries, it is just going to throw some pollen and die. The female flowers won't show up until later, usually.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 11:47AM
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little_minnie(zone 4a)

The plants per person charts are extremely inaccurate and out of date. It is better to look at average yield per plant and see if that is how much you need.

Here is a link that might be useful: one such chart

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 4:00PM
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chickenfreak(7)

I think that "plants per person" would just give you a vague, vague order of magnitude. I would instead look for figures for pounds of produce per plant, and match them against the pounds of produce that you'll use in the plant's season.

And then, of course, you'd have to think about how you're using the produce. If each tomato plant produces about three pounds per week, and you want to make one giant pot of tomato sauce per summer month that requires twenty pounds of tomatoes, how long will the tomatoes keep? Will you have to grow enough plants to produce twenty pounds in one week, and then figure out what to do with the extra in the non-sauce weeks?

Do you eat spinach fresh or cooked? Do you want to freeze beans and strawberries? Are you eating your corn off the cob or do you want a whole bunch for succotash? Do you use your onions for an occasional slice in a sandwich or do you want to cook a year's worth of frozen caramelized onions?

In other words, I think that every item is likely to require a personal calculation.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 1:32AM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

Should be there soon! It was supposed to be 60 today, made it up to 59' so it's getting better. But I know what you mean, it's been the same here all week, 5 or more degrees lower than forecast. Potatoes are in, will be hardening off everything else the next few days, and the peach tree is just about to bloom.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 10:28PM
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AiliDeSpain(6a - Utah)

I feel you.
We are having spectacular weather, with that said we could get snow and a hard freeze any time in the next month LOL!!
I have onions out, just direct sowed spinach and lettuce, have potatoes in and artichoke.
I have growing under lights: tomatoes, peppers, basil and cucumber which got huge so I potted up and am now putting outside during the day.
Parsley is hardening off I may plant it soon as it's getting huge in pots.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 12:56AM
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uncle_t(Z6 Ontario CAN)

Till it in; fork it in; turn it over. It's all good.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 6:04PM
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clanross(7b Virginia)

My favorite sweet peppers are the large, squat pimento types. They are beautiful, very thick flesh and very sweet. I live in the extremely hot and humid south and had TONS of them from my rather small garden. What we didn't eat fresh or give to neighbors I froze and used on pizzas and in soups and stir-fries all winter. Red ruffled pimento is very good. Seed Saver's Exchange has a couple of great ones. I've grown some of the thin-skinned ones, but for me --oven-roasting, fresh, soups etc.... I really prefer the pimento types. No disease problems and very few blemishes --they will get heavy if you fertilize, so some sort of support is good -- I used 3 sticks/poles (triangle around the plant) with string around. Most fun thing I grow. : )

    Bookmark   March 27, 2013 at 3:48PM
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little_minnie(zone 4a)

Aconcagua is the best tasting pepper ever. Odessa Market is my favorite to grow.
Keep in mind these varieties are owned by Monsanto now:
Sweet Pepper: Baron, Bell Boy, Big Bertha PS, Biscayne, Blushing Beauty, Bounty, California Wonder 300, Camelot, Capistrano, Cherry Pick, Chocolate Beauty, Corno Verde, Cubanelle W, Dumpling brand of Pritavit, Early Sunsation, Flexum, Fooled You brand of Dulce, Giant Marconi, Gypsy, Jumper, Key West, King Arthur, North Star, Orange Blaze, Pimiento Elite, Red Knight, Satsuma, Socrates, Super Heavyweight, Sweet Spot

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 3:55PM
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ruthieg__tx(z8 TX)

And also all you need to do is give the heavier melons some support in a panty hose or some other kind of sling....I've seen watermelons grown on a fence...

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 11:51AM
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little_minnie(zone 4a)

Minnesota Midget would work.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 3:52PM
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ChicagoDeli37

Close up pic of soil

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 9:19AM
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uncle_t(Z6 Ontario CAN)

Definitely a clay type soil but looks good; lots of tiny pieces of organic "stuff". ;-)

How you amend the soil at the end of the season is just as important as at the beginning. In late October leaves are in wonderful abundance. Collecting autumn leaves, chopping and forking them into this soil will give you a richer and fluffier growing medium the following year. This means purchasing less amendments in spring.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 3:31PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

If you don't want to mess with bird feed but still want to attract birds, add a couple of bird baths. Make sure that they are positioned in a location that makes keeping them cleaned and filled easy....near a hose.

Birds are very happy to have a source of clean, fresh water nearby.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 7:42AM
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ltilton

Chicago - I think juncos fly north in the spring.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 1:32PM
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