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It may be wise for you to spend the time & effort to write down exactly when the sun reaches the soil directly in the area you intend to plant. Then write down the exact time the sun is no longer reaching this planting area.
This should give you an idea exactly how much direct sunlight is reaching the area you intend to staring working the soil in. IF you are not getting enuff "direct sunlight" you can direct your efforts to an area which does or abandon this garden idea all together.
I think this time is better spent BEFORE spending any time, effort, or money improving the soil. PLus it is always wise to start working the soil the year before planting.
Start with a professional complete soil test - not one of those home test kits.

Hi,
We did spend this weekend in preparing vegetable bed and putting in some seeds and plants. We planted cucumber seeds (eating variety and Asian cooking variety) and wide beans towards fence side. Also planed tomato and spinach seeds towards wall side.
We prepared vegetable bed without using any wooden boards. Removed all the grass, leveled the area, added top soil and miracle-grow. Hoping to grow cucumber and bean onto fence. Please let me know if there are any sun light reflectors which can be attached to wall to improve lighting situation.
I am also working on watering situation. We have a sprinklers towards wall which are part of one single zone. This zone also has few other sprinklers which needs to be switched to other zone. Then we can program this zone for watering frequently.
Is it going to work? I took this picture on 2:00 pm. By that time, light is already moved out from area around wall.



I notice you're not answering where you live, so I'm guessing you've figured out that you put them outside way too early. :) Generally, you don't want to put tomatoes outside until the LOWS are consistently above 50 degrees, and peppers until the LOWS are above 55. That's typically a good couple weeks after your last frost date, unless your long range forecast says differently. Baby those damaged plants as an experiment to see how they do, but don't count on them as your main crop; you may not get much from them even if they survive. Since you say you have others in pots that are still OK, put them outside when the daytime temps are in the 70's, but bring them all inside at night until the lows are above 50-55. Peppers like it warm, warm, warm, even warmer than tomatoes. Good luck!


<So without ever trying it are you saying my belief is rwong?>
As I said above I have always grown my pumpkins sprawled along the ground, supported by the ground, on hay or straw mulch. Even then I have had some broken stems just from a large pumpkin growing off-balance and rolling over. I have had birdhouse gourds break their stem when hanging from a trellis (an arched cattle panel), had honeydew's stems break before I can get a sling under them, Even the weight of a tomato on a branch can cause it to break.
So yeah, I wouldn't count on any vining plant to support the weight of its fruit in many situations.
dave

The mix for containers has to be very well draining. Potting soil might just be too water retentive. Check out the 511 mix in the Containers Forum. I'm not sure what the best time to plant in GA is, but imagine as early in the spring as possible. March sounds right.


I just feel that wood chips can rob the soil of nitrogen, Plus I feel it makes better compost for the garden which you till or plow it into the soil, And this could just be a crazy idea, but I don't think the rain will splash onto your plants as much with straw which will keep them more resistance to diseases, Of course this is just my thinking.


Do you mean Rocdor aka Roc d' Or? Never grown them. Are they abnormally tall vs. most bush varieties?
I normally plant bush beans close intentionally just so they can support themselves but the one time I can recall when I didn't I just put a wood stake on either side of the row and at each end and ran a string from one end of the row to the other. Holds the row of them upright and out of the paths.
But if you want some sort of actual trellis - they won't climb it and you'd have to tie them up anyway - then why wouldn't any pole bean type trellis work? Just shorten it.
Dave

I agree that it isn't enough sun. I suspect the reason you got some yield early is because you planted by your neighbors Crepe Myrtle tree which are slow to leaf out in the spring. Before the tree was blocking the sun the plants were growing, but now they get less sun and that shows.

As I was looking at most of the pictures specifically the leaves...most of your plants are quite infested maybe with bacteria, virus as well as fungus and the lack of phosphorus/potassium on your pepper resulting to curling of the leaves.
If you prefer not to uproot everything and to rehabilitate your plants, prune those leaves with infection. Do not compost those. As much as possible dispose those that it wont stay in your garden.
Though the fungus is soil born and is now inside the system of your plants, you try baking soda diluted in water. Say 1 tablespoon per liter. Apply it in the soil.
Another thing also so your area wont be infested with fungus is to have more sunlight. Try pruning the shades if there are so you will get 6-8 hours of sunlight. I bet your area has a lot of moist. Fungus loves to grow in moist and humid areas with organic matter.
Do you have aphids or insects in your plants? Those are the vectors of virus. Your tomato looks like it has a virus. Try eliminating those vectors...water splash may do or some acetic acid solution. If you are using some inorganic fertilizers, it may have a good effect on your plants but do take note of this - plants that do take inorganic fertilizers are good in producing aromatic amino acids. This attracts insects/pests. So be careful also in using this type of fertilizers.
If you want to have a lush vegetation/leaves, use the one with high on Nitrogen. Do not overuse this one too...you will end up having more leaves and no fruits. For flowering and fruiting, use the one with higher P and K elements. Ensure calcium too to prevent some flower as well as fruit rotting.
Oh well, we are being thought that NPK is the solution...well kind of cool thing but I still believe that it is about humic substances...

Your local garden center should be able to help you out. They should have several different blends of fertilizer. Just be sure to get one that is high in nitrogen content. I live in a rural farming community and close to a business that sells fertilizer to farmers so I have access to what I need for my garden.

Agree any local feed and farm or garden center can sell you good corn fertilizers. There are many made especially for growing corn since its needs are somewhat unique. Timing of applications is also crucial with corn as it is fed at seperate times as it reaches specific growth stages.
Your Montana State Ag Extension Service website has lots of information available on growing corn in Montana and gardening in general and your local county extension office probably does too so be sure to check out all those resources.
Dave

Ready for harvest in late summer? By the time I see it popping up, it's big and edible. It grows fast where I am. Quite big in just a few weeks. If I were you I would harvest shoots while they are thin and tender, and not wait until they are tougher. (It's actually a lawn weed, for me.)


Hi, a few years ago I was stuck in a problem like you, In first place I tough that my seeds was wrong but after a few test I can saw that my seeds was not the problem because the seeds were well so, a friend of mine recommended that the cucumbers plants need some type of support to keep them off damp ground, where diseases have a heyday. I highly recommend you take a look to this article and tell me what did you think. I tell you this because you use a vine variety and any that are vining type can climb the trellis. Actually I'm using a type of Hortomallas and I have very good results.
http://www.hortomallas.com/en/grow-squash-cucumbers-and-melons-vertically/


Here is a link to many photos of the so-called "jewel" beetle family, the iridescents. You should be able to ID from the pics.
But if you found only one then it is highly unlikely you have or will have any infestation. And what did the damage may even have already moved on. But it would be difficult for one beetle to do much damage unless we are talking about only a handful of plants?
If you feel you have to treat the plants then DE (diatemaceous earth) is relatively safe to use.
Dave


100 days they should be dying by now but give them a little more time you should be ok, Planted mine about the second week of April and the red potatoes are just now dying but the white still are green but their starting to change, Never tried cutting the vines I just let mine die then wait about another month to dig except for a couple to eat right away.






I ordered most of my vegetable seeds online last year from US-based Fedco Seeds company which now ships to Canada.
I'm quite happy with their selection. I sometimes buy seedlings from the local nurseries– specifically eggplants and sweet peppers, but I only buy the varieties I know .
I made a few pics today of "Masha" cucumber plant. As you see, every leaf node produces female flowers and each of them grows into a cucumber. Even in the nodes where I already picked a cucumber, a new female flower appears and a new cuc is growing:
the same plant - a bit lower part: