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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Agree with sunnibel7 and find that the main causes of problems with hardening off is either (a) plants that were started far too early and so are less tolerant of hardening and transplanting, and (b) starting the hardening off process far too early. It isn't the size or age of the plants that should determine when to harden-off, it is when is the planting time?

Planting dates are determined before seeds are even started and other than weather at that time which we can't control, you start hardening off a few days to a week before planting time. If you can't plant until May 15th (for example) why would you start hardening off May 1 ? Rather wait till May 12th when the weather will likely allow the plants to go in the shade and just stay there until planting time. Bringing them in and out and in and out only stresses the plants and defeats the point of hardening.

Check out the FAQ here that describes how to use various containers like a laundry basket under a shade tree to harden off. Even a cardboard box works. The goal isn't direct sun exposure, it is air temp, UV, and wind acclimation.

Dave

PS: Hardening off Discussions and FAQs

    Bookmark     February 13, 2015 at 4:32PM
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ZachS. z5 Littleton, CO

Here's what I do and it generally works pretty good.

I don't babysit the plants. I simply refuse to do it. When it's time to start moving them outdoors, they go outdoors all day starting day number 1. I put them in a real shady spot for the first couple days then a spot that gets dappled shade, then partial sun, etc etc. I don't play the "hours" game I don't have time for that lol. All day, everyday (unless the weather turns sour).

    Bookmark     February 13, 2015 at 9:45PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

As I said in my previous comment, I do have other beds elsewhere that I haven't shown. :) And while I do enjoy drawing up the plans and try to stick to them as best I can, there is almost always a some kind of problem.

Rodney

    Bookmark     February 13, 2015 at 8:48AM
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jagdjh

I must admit I did most of it just to get through winter. The biggest thing it did was let me know how many different plants I should get. Before I made the diagram, I had about 5 more different pepper seeds, and about 3 more tomato seeds. After making the diagram, I knew I had to eliminate some choices, which wasn't easy :).

    Bookmark     February 13, 2015 at 9:20AM
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gridgardener
    Bookmark     February 11, 2015 at 4:42PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

jnjfarm, were you able to get signed in?

    Bookmark     February 13, 2015 at 6:48AM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

Looks good! I was wondering how it was going to turn out.

    Bookmark     February 13, 2015 at 5:47AM
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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

Yes, I had mentioned that clustering related garden forums was a desirable thing. One forum missing there still is Soil and Compost...and please remove giant vegetables

    Bookmark     February 12, 2015 at 9:41AM
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gridgardener

Soil and Compos

t is still there you just need look under organic gardening tab

    Bookmark     February 12, 2015 at 5:09PM
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vanisle_bc

In order to identify the female plants I think you'd have to grow them to seed bearing age (3 years?) - and you might want to make sure they don't get a chance to drop potentially-female seed before weeding them out. Some writers suggest you don't want any seed to drop anyway, to avoid overcrowding the bed with new volunteer plants.

As for shipping across borders, many US companies do ship seed to Canada but I haven''t found any willing to ship asparagus root. Whether that's because they're prohibited, and whether it also applies to other plants, I don't know.

    Bookmark     February 5, 2015 at 5:54PM
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vanisle_bc

Please ignore this comment - it's only a personal test of how the new website works

    Bookmark     February 12, 2015 at 12:21PM
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illiveggies

The front of my house faces east, and none of the plants that require full sun do very well in the front. Those that can stand partial shade do better.

My guess is that you would get some harvest, and that might make you happy, but if you have other options, might be better to invest the money for the raised bed somewhere that gets more sun.

One other point to note - the front beds take much longer to dry out after a rain - again, this might be an advantage or a disadvantage, depending on what you plant, and your drainage.

    Bookmark     February 11, 2015 at 1:10PM
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annehay

The location of the sun sounds good to me. My garden sits in a similar position. I just wanted to add that raised beds need more water because the soil dries out faster in hot temperatures. Also, if the yard slopes away from the house, your water will presumably run off as well (I assume the landscaping is designed for this). So be sure to water with some frequency.

    Bookmark     February 11, 2015 at 5:35PM
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gridgardener

According to the production chart in book "how to grow more vegetables" by Jeavson you will need between 2-6 plants to produce 1 lb/0.45 kg of okra.

how many pods per lbs is some you have look up .

    Bookmark     February 9, 2015 at 10:53AM
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illiveggies

We love Clemson Spineless - out here in IL, we plant straight from seed, after last frost. The spacing seems right, we plant ~20 plants in two rows of 10. Last year we were trying to harvest weekly at our community garden plot, and we were having to toss quite a few as they were too small one weekend and overdone the next. Harvesting about once every 2-3 days would probably be best as donnabaskets suggests.

    Bookmark     February 11, 2015 at 1:21PM
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zzackey(8b GA)

Yes! Thank you! Mine is close enough. It was a total PIA to get that far.

    Bookmark     February 10, 2015 at 11:08AM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Bump.

    Bookmark     February 11, 2015 at 7:38AM
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elisa_z5

jonhughes -- really nice to see you back here with your mind boggling numbers :)

    Bookmark     February 5, 2015 at 6:00PM
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arileyz5

We put in an elevated raised bed for a salad garden last summer -- it's 2x8 and 30" tall, with a false floor 10" down from the top (cedar slats & landscape fabric on steel brackets). (The two boxes at the ends are 2x2 and 15" tall, no false bottom.) It looks good and it's easy for people with bad knees (i.e., me!).

1 Like    Bookmark     February 11, 2015 at 6:43AM
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njitgrad

I guess the only thing that I can realistically do is nothing. I already grow them on trellises and I've tried rotating them amongst my raised beds. Last year I even try grown some from seed mid-season in a fabric container with 5-1-1 mix. It started out great then went the same route as the cukes I had started earlier in the season.

    Bookmark     February 10, 2015 at 11:50AM
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farmerdill

Realistically you can plant an ALS resistant variety. Not foolproof , but usually gives you sufficient edge to harvest cukes. For slicers varieties include Speedway, Dasher II,Thunder, Talledega etc. Ther are sevral pickler varieties Arabian, Calypso, Carolina etc. Don't kow of any burpless types with ALS resistance but they are probably out there. Belay that, Sweet Slice has ALS resistance.

    Bookmark     February 10, 2015 at 3:03PM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

This sucks!

    Bookmark     February 9, 2015 at 5:55PM
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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

nancyjane, I got an e-mail recently. I did not click the button [if it had one] to confirm my GW account. Maybe I thought it could be spam like I have gotten...just wanting you to click their link. I finally made it here, but am still trying to figure out where everybody and everything is.

    Bookmark     February 10, 2015 at 1:13PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

There is always winter sowing. That's about all I've been able to do this winter.

Rodney

    Bookmark     February 10, 2015 at 7:10AM
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wildturkey_grower

Well maybe i'll have to support these too. Dang it! I'm in zone 9 so we're planting cool season crops now.

    Bookmark     February 9, 2015 at 12:54PM
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gridgardener

there is no difference in taste if your growing for pods or pea part when compared other varieties of same type varieties.

    Bookmark     February 9, 2015 at 3:44PM
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