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barrie2m_

You'll need to first neutralize the acidic peppers. Soaking in a baking soda solution should accomplish that. Then you'll need to reinocculate with a yeast or suitable bacterial culture. The outcome still might be questionable.

    Bookmark   October 15, 2014 at 7:24PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

It can be done, IFF it has not been for a long time: If vinegar has penetrated into the peppers already it cannot be reversed.

== drain the liquid
== rinse with distilled water
== make brine with ditilled water ( 3 TBS sea salt in one quart of distilled water"
ADDITIONALY, add plain yogurt whey to get is started quicker. Yougur whey has "Lactic Acid", produced by the batcerium called "Lactobacillus ". So adding yogurt whey you are in fact introducing lacto fermentation culture.

JMO

    Bookmark   October 15, 2014 at 7:46PM
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pnbrown

Zackey, that's true, commercial citrus was all over central FL. We tested the new garden site at a lakeside place a few years ago and it was oddly high in copper (though not toxically high) until one remembers copper sulfate's use as a fungicide. It was very high as compared to normal for central fl sand (almost zero).

    Bookmark   October 15, 2014 at 4:04PM
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zzackey(8b GA)

Our property was a cow pasture before we moved here. My hubby doesn't want to soil test and I do. An on going battle.They mixed all kinds of soil in and took down trees. Built up our lot with soil removed to make the neighbors pond. God only know what we have.

    Bookmark   October 15, 2014 at 7:03PM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Our temps are supposed to (finally) drop out of the 80s!
I still have to put several beds to rest. I keep a couple with radish and greens etc, but compost and cover several and try to clean up the weeds, which kinda got out of control this year! Nancy

    Bookmark   October 13, 2014 at 9:04PM
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vgkg(Z-7)

About 50% of our veggie gardens are now at rest though there are still a few sickly tomato and eggplants hanging on. The other 50% is now fall crops. If winter doesn't come on too strong or too quickly here we'll have some nice broc, cabb, peas, asst greens and root crops going until Dec, ending with carrots into Feb. Just have to keep one step ahead of the deer.

    Bookmark   October 15, 2014 at 5:36PM
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hobbiest

Yellow Jackets don`t like my ShopVac.
Switched on 6-8 hours for one day in the daytime, bye bye flyin` pests.

If it is an in ground nest, after the ShopVac does its` thing, I pour a bunch of Sevin dust on the entrance. All gone in 1 day or so.

    Bookmark   October 14, 2014 at 3:51AM
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zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin

Ground nests are fairly easy to deal with, provided they are not adjacent to anything flammable. Go out at night with some rubbing alcohol, a stout metal bucket/bowl/kettle, and some matches. Quickly dump the alcohol into the hole, stand back, and throw a match to light it. Once lit, quickly tamp the metal container of your choice over the hole, pressing it into the soil to seal the edges. The flames will deplete the oxygen, which along with the hot fumes, will kill the nest.

    Bookmark   October 15, 2014 at 12:42AM
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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

I planted rhubarb seeds in June or July last year and left the seedlings in the ground over winter. Most of them made it through the winter. If your seedlings are tiny, they might not make it.

    Bookmark   October 13, 2014 at 8:35PM
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lindarenee(a5 Ohio)

Thanks. I will see what happens and take a guess about how long to leave the "wall of water" protection around the plants.

    Bookmark   October 14, 2014 at 8:39PM
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farmerdill

Concur

    Bookmark   October 13, 2014 at 7:45AM
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glib(5.5)

snacking for whom? you or the squirrels? the best sunflower head is the one behind an electric fence.

    Bookmark   October 13, 2014 at 9:39AM
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greendreamhome

At first I thought, "How could that be?" Then I read that sun scald on peppers happens when there is high humidity. We're normally not humid at all, but for the past few weeks the humidity has been insane, even as our temperatures rose again.

    Bookmark   October 12, 2014 at 4:59PM
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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

When temperatures soar, rig temporary shade for susceptible plants.

    Bookmark   October 12, 2014 at 7:16PM
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elisa_z5

Nope. I have a family member with a 100 X 35 foot green house filled with ginger!

    Bookmark   October 10, 2014 at 3:40PM
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the_sun

Bury some hardwood logs in that bed and grow shiitake mushrooms, or pasteurize some straw and grow oyster mushrooms.

You may find the sunless bed is the most profitable and enjoyable bed in your yard.

    Bookmark   October 12, 2014 at 4:20PM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Well, for one thing....nothing wrong with snagging a tumble weed (which came from Siberia, and are called Siberian thistle BTW! ) or three and painting it white or silver and making it into an Xmas tree! DONE THAT! LOL
We have such a hard time between summer/fall plants, cause some of our summer stuff can go as late as November! It makes it difficult to start by seed, not knowing when we will be getting a killing frost (anywhere from Sept to Jan!)
I usually just buy starts for the fall/winter garden. Nancy

NOT this year, though! All summer stuff is done in and I'll be cleaning up the beds to cover up for the winter.

    Bookmark   October 10, 2014 at 9:20PM
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the_sun

Still have carrots under a low tunnel here, and they're doing fine.

Our growing season this year featured frost on June 12th, and several days of freezes between September 10th and 13th. It has been in the mid 20's five times since then, and two of those nights were in the 20's for more than 8 hours. Lost count of how many nights were frosty.

Tough year, but carrots are tougher.

    Bookmark   October 12, 2014 at 4:11PM
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naturegirl_2007 5B SW Michigan(5B SW Michigan)

Purple Beauty and Sweet Chocolate Peppers are dark varieties often included in mixes. Your peppers look like they are doing fine.

    Bookmark   October 11, 2014 at 9:00PM
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grandad_2003(9A/sunset 28)

Could it be the Purple Bell in the Burpee Canival Mix? The Carnival Mix seeds are commonnly found on seed racks in the spring.

Here is a link that might be useful: Burbee Carnival Mix

    Bookmark   October 12, 2014 at 8:22AM
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zensojourner

Are you not allowed to use organic pesticides either? Because neem, spinosad, and pyrethrums will pretty much take care of nearly anything trying to eat your garden, bugwise.

If its squash bugs row covers will do the trick, if you can be sure they won't be "borrowed" away from your plants. I think by the time they start blossoming and you have to remove them, most of the squash bugs are gone.

    Bookmark   October 12, 2014 at 12:31AM
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pnbrown

Indeed I find DE is effective on a small scale. It also adds Ca to the soil which rarely goes amiss in the east.

Those who subscribe to the notion that malnourished plants are easily susceptible to insect attack sometimes pinpoint low S as the main issue.

Another strategy is to grow a crop in the general class but different enough that it may not suffer as much predation. Examples: cowpea is less favored by MBB than common beans; some kales and collards less favored by ICM than heading cabbage/broccoli/cauliflower; edible gourd is less susceptible to pests and some diseases than the three main squash species.

    Bookmark   October 12, 2014 at 7:58AM
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Slimy_Okra(2b)

Maybe a Portuguese kale (which is actually a type of collard, not kale).

    Bookmark   October 11, 2014 at 12:08AM
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pnbrown

Collard.

    Bookmark   October 11, 2014 at 12:46PM
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calliope(6)

agree

    Bookmark   October 10, 2014 at 5:42PM
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chaman(z7MD)

Asparagus we have in our garden are cold hardy in winter season of Maryland.They are in the garden for more than 5 years.Roots mature,in my experience , in about three years.

    Bookmark   October 11, 2014 at 11:45AM
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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

I think that's a smart idea to do a major trim, but for a different reason for me. I winter-over outside, and frost protection of a tall plant is a lot harder than for a smaller plant.

    Bookmark   October 11, 2014 at 12:18AM
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priyaspageo

Tomatoes will surprise you! They can withstand mighty close quarters and still deliver. If you don't have space in the ground, but you do have a hanging planter or a bushel basket and a sunny spot somewhere indoors or outside, prepare to grow your own tomatoes!
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    Bookmark   October 10, 2014 at 4:40AM
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soilent_green

zensojourner - They may be our plants, but it is we who are living in their world. I remember back when she was just a cute, cuddly little tomato seedling. She is so demanding now, always talking down to me...

Drew51 - Thanks for the information. Can I assume that if those two varieties are thin-skinned a person does not have to remove skins as part of the processing?

Yes I would be interested in a trade sometime this winter. I am always on the lookout for varieties that would impart a more robust flavor for my sauces. Modern hybrid types such as are in that last photo I posted are wonderful for their production and uniformity, but I find their flavor to be quite bland and insipid. Not that I am complaining about getting free stuff...

I use modern hybrids as well as my own oxheart paste types that I have been developing as bulk ingredient for processing. I add heirlooms for flavor. Seems to work. The meaty and dry/hollow oxhearts and large pastes really cut down on processing time regarding evaporation/thickening of sauces.

What I am always on the lookout for are varieties with above average concentrated flavor. I am starting to think it logical to seek out authentic Italian varieties.

As for naming that tomato variety, I never get around to thinking about that, plus for all I know it already has a name and I just do not know it. It does get old having reference names such as "Unknown Tall Indeterminate Cherry Type that Produces 1.75 Diameter Fruit that Compare Better to Beefsteaks than to Cherries, Grows Well in Containers". LOL

Just for fun, how about the name "Icarus"?

-Tom

    Bookmark   October 10, 2014 at 11:04AM
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