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missingtheobvious(Blue Ridge 7a)

**shudder**

    Bookmark     February 5, 2015 at 10:41AM
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ZachS. z5 Littleton, CO

You've got to have some pretty big ones yourself to harvest those!

    Bookmark     February 6, 2015 at 9:50AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I just wanted to update how my season has been going. Since we got our growing season off to a late start, whatever plans I would have liked to put in place had to be adjusted. So now getting a fall crop in, became problematic because we ended up buying organic soil for three large beds and that soil has not done well. All the beds that had this soil in it have not done well.

Peppers were a big fail in comparison to previous seasons when they've been our best crop. Watermelon and Butternut Squash never grew and were pulled out after a month. The tomato plants have done just okay. There will be a small crop but they didn't put on as much growth as I thought they should. So we already started sowing cover crop in two of the beds, two weeks ago. Waiting for the tomatoes to be finished and hope I will have time to do the same in that bed. Hopefully, next season should be better.

On the other hand the two long beds that had our old vegetable garden soil added, have done really well. I am particularly happy that I restrained myself from pulling plants out that were slow to develop. The transplants I had for broccoli, kale, bok choy, brussels sprouts and cabbage, despite getting such a late start have all done well. And are still growing well. Just harvested Broccoli yesterday.

So, for anyone that might have been following along and wondered how all those late planted spring crops did, they did great! Maybe it was just a different season, but it all worked out. It's actually been great growing weather this year. Hope everyone else is having a great growing season too and thanks for all the help. :-)

Arcadia Broccoli from seed that was supposed to do pretty well in the heat and I guess it did. Could have been larger, but happy to get a crop.

    Bookmark     August 10, 2014 at 2:38PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

It’s that time again. I’m starting to figure out what I’m planting this spring and I was glad to have this thread to go back to. I also thought I would update on what happened with my planting plans last year in case someone else is considering planting late, etc.

Dave, you were concerned about how late I was planting some of what should have been spring crops and especially if it was too late for peas. I did not end up planting peas at all last year. I went right into cucumbers and string beans and they did very well. Had the best year ever with cucumbers.

I did plant lettuces, all my herbs, cabbage, broccoli, bok choy. I think I got lucky with the weather. We harvested Romaine lettuce for a long time before they bolted. I grew ‘Jerricho’ which was known to tolerate heat and it sure did. We harvested Bok Choy for a long time and Kale all season.

I tried a new cabbage last year, ‘Gonzales’ which produces individual cabbages and they were a big hit. Each cabbage made a large bowl of cole slaw with no leftover cabbage. Very convenient and they took up about 10 inches of growing space each.

The broccoli, did have a difficult time forming a head. It wasn’t until we had a cool spell at some point during the later part of the summer before they did. I had left them in place all season and finally harvested some in August and minimum side shoots into the fall. So, I’m trying to decide whether to grow broccoli this year. To get one head of broccoli from each large plant, doesn’t make sense in my small space if I have to leave them in place all season.

I didn’t plant spinach until the fall and then it did nothing. They germinated and grew a few leaves and then just sat there, so I covered them and left them to overwinter and I’m hoping they may regrow this spring. I’m pretty sure the different angle of the sun in the fall is a problem for me and I’m thinking that a Fall crop is not going to work for me at all. It was okay though because I had tomatoes still ripening up to frost and cukes still coming in, squashes still ripening. I've decided that spring crops followed by successions of summer crops are my best bet. Which allows me to cover crop for the spring if I want and do a good job of putting the garden to bed.

After thinking and thinking about the Asparagus, we decided we didn’t even want to grow it. lol So, we gave them to our neighbor to grow and that solved that problem.

I sometimes have a lot of enthusiasm for trying to grow something over the winter, but this winter has convinced me, that is just not the best fit for me. Especially with the ton of snow we are having this year. And I enjoy the break from the garden in the winter.

So, you were correct that plans change from year to year and my plans made last spring are definitely being adjusted.

Rodney, I also took your advice and took the chives out of my vegetable beds due to the fact they are perennial. I moved them into a perennial border that skirts the vegetable garden and very happy with that arrangement so far. I also managed to divide them and had a number of them to add to the border.

We did manage to plant some garlic last fall too.

Since we had so much trouble with the soil in the new beds, which I believe was due to being sifted before delivery, we did a lot of work on the beds in the fall. Compost ingredients worked into the beds. The tomato bed had a cover crop turned in and a heavy layer of mulch. I’m hoping this season will be an improvement.

Ajsmama, Our Cilantro did some reseeding but sprouted in the fall, so not so sure that will overwinter. I really enjoyed the Cilantro last year and it was so pretty in the garden. We did manage to do one succession planting of Cilantro and that really worked out and extended our harvest. I was able to leave the first planting in the ground until fall and harvested a good amount of seed.

So, that’s the update and I’ll probably be posting this year’s plan with more questions soon.

Thank you all again for all the great help!

    Bookmark     February 6, 2015 at 8:32AM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

I've never found that row covers prevent snails from accessing plants. That would only work if each plant was in a 'bag' of its own with the fabric tightly wrapped around the stem. In fact I find they like to congregate in clumps where the cover touches the ground, especially if it is folded or rucked up. Plus there are sometimes tiny baby snails already on the plants and if you miss them they just sit under the cover enjoying their own personal protected buffet.

One good thing - IME snails are easier to deal with because they don't live in the soil like many species of slug. At least you can see them and pick them off easily.

    Bookmark     February 3, 2015 at 11:50AM
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chillout_cy

I've been picking the snails off every morning and the numbers have gone way down. I'll carry on and see what happens, thanks. Also can any one tell me what this beetle is and if it's just as responsible?

    Bookmark     February 6, 2015 at 3:32AM
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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

Does anyone know about how long the window is to pick corn and how long it stays fresh?

Corn needs to field dry to 13-14% moisture unless you dry it more with drying equipment. If dry and protected from vermin, it will keep a good while. If you can't use or sell it the first year, you have over planted.

Why do you think a food bank would want ears of field corn? Even sweet corn has a very short window.

    Bookmark     February 5, 2015 at 10:43AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Have you considered offering local food banks access to the 5 acres for a community garden? That way the land gets used but they incur the costs, do all the work, and reap the benefits.

Dave

    Bookmark     February 5, 2015 at 4:36PM
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fusion_power

There is a lot of misleading information. Several research articles have definitively shown that larger pieces of potato planted resulted in larger potatoes harvested. For this reason, I often plant a 1 pound potato with all eyes but 2 removed. This gives the maximum yield of large tubers. On the other hand, I have also planted potatoes 1/2 inch diameter and harvested a very good crop of potatoes given that they were planted in high fertility soil and other agricultural needs were met.

    Bookmark     February 3, 2015 at 10:00PM
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philat(Zone 9 Italy)

What you say fusion_power is what it says on the website potato.nl (http://www.potato.nl/files/planting.pdf)

"If a reasonably high plant density is achieved, seed size
has, under normal growing conditions, no great influ-
ence on yield......

A large seed potato has the advantage of having extra
reserves in times of drought, cold, heat or in an inferior seed-bed. Under such growing conditions, the large seed potato will be more reliable than the small one. "

    Bookmark     February 4, 2015 at 6:02AM
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Phineas402

Hi Liza, We've had the same result here in NZ. We used seed recovered from a gem squash we bought last year. I'm not complaining as the whole squash (including skin and seeds) are extremely tasty even when they are large. Did you get any further with your posting? Must be some sort of genetic throwback I suppose. We never had this back in Zimbabwe when growing them.

    Bookmark     February 3, 2015 at 7:14PM
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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

I found the Miracle Grow texture to vary a lot from batch to batch, and I quit it for that reason...not because of a vendetta against a company. I use some Miracle Grow liquid plant food for plants in containers.

    Bookmark     February 3, 2015 at 10:21AM
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weirdtrev

Interesting, thanks for both the clarifications. In my area it is really just the most readily available. I probably wouldn't notice or mind if the product was variable so long as it gets the job done. I have found that any potting mix is a challenge to use in a plug flat because there can be larger pieces. I am just too cheap to buy a separate "seed starting mix" that doesn't have those larger pieces. I do run my mix through a screen before I use it for the small celled plug trays though.

    Bookmark     February 3, 2015 at 1:10PM
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Johnny(6b)

I tried some asparagus seeds outside over the summer as an experiment. I didn't see anything for about 3 weeks, but after those 3 weeks, nearly all of them sprouted. I nearly gave up on them, but they did eventually all sprout.

    Bookmark     February 1, 2015 at 9:17PM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

I would add my voice to the "needs warm soil" folks. I've never tried to deliberately grow asparagus from seed, but I do get volunteers in the garden each year. They always sprout mid-later summer when the soil is good and warm.

    Bookmark     February 3, 2015 at 8:55AM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

Broccolini and Broccoli raab are two different plants, though they are harvested the same way. Cut a good portion of the stem, down to where it is getting tough. You'll be eating the entire thing, stem, leaves, and flowers. The plant will grow sideshoots that you'll harvest the same way.

BTW, I MUCH prefer Gailan to either. Also grow and harvest same way.

    Bookmark     January 30, 2015 at 9:22AM
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NewTXGardener (8a Dallas)

Thank you so much!

I had no idea they were different. Now I know, and I like Broccolini much better, already planted these, will plant Broccolini next, their seeds are not easy to find!

    Bookmark     February 1, 2015 at 10:54PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Looks like sunscald to me. Not a disease.

Rodney

    Bookmark     February 1, 2015 at 5:38PM
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woohooman San Diego CA zone 10a

Yep. Total sunscald. Rest of the pepper should be fine if not left on the plant TOO long. Quite common with large fruited varieties such as bells and usually caused by excessively bright days(summer). SHade cloth or old bed sheets work wonders during the midday hours.

Kevin

    Bookmark     February 1, 2015 at 5:44PM
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    Bookmark     January 31, 2015 at 10:27PM
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Jonagold

What variety of beans are you plating?

    Bookmark     February 1, 2015 at 12:53PM
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smokey28777

Im in zone 7 , western north Carolina.

    Bookmark     January 31, 2015 at 8:45PM
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Beeone(4 N. Wyo.)

More description would help, but it sounds like blight, which is a bacterial disease. Take a look at the pictures on the following site:
http://www.extension.umn.edu/garden/yard-garden/vegetables/edible-bean-disease-and-disorder-identification/

    Bookmark     February 1, 2015 at 2:45AM
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terry_neoh(5b)

A venturi needs velocity to work as an ingestion system. To effciently turn whatever pressure you have into velocity, you need a gradual decrease in the cross-sectional area of your supply line; otherwise, the energy of your flow will be turned into heat rather than kinetic energy (velocity.) Try to use a large supply line with several steps of decreasing diameter to get the most suction from your venturi.

    Bookmark     January 31, 2015 at 11:38PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Neem Oil is a commonly used garden product, organically approved for use on food crops. Type 'Neem' in the forum search here for all sorts of discussions about it.

It is primarily a pesticide but to work it has to come into direct contact with the pest. It also has some limited fungicide benefits as it coats the leaves. It has some negative side effects if over-used so follow the label directions for time and frequency of application as well as dilution.

Whether it will work on your beans or not all depends on what the cause of the problem is. If it is one of the common bean pests you have to spray the pests directly, if one of the common fungus diseases of beans it may slow the disease but won't cure it and to prevent it you have to apply it from the very beginning, if it is Bacterial Spot of Speck Neem won't help.

So your first step is to research the actual cause - lots of pics of 'common bean pest' and 'common bean diseases' available on the web for comparison.

Dave

    Bookmark     January 31, 2015 at 10:25PM
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terry_neoh(5b)

I notice one thing that seems to be a common thread among all your problems. Organic.

    Bookmark     January 31, 2015 at 8:24PM
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strobiculate

speaking of common thread...

if you have been in CA lately...or for that matter, much of the American west...

and someone posted a question re: poor performance of garden plants across the board...

what's the first thing that comes to mind? I mean, after you have covered a colander in tin foil and adjusted it to wear as a hat.

Does the word "parched" possibly come into play? or more extreme lack of water?

    Bookmark     January 31, 2015 at 9:47PM
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